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    If you have the money, buy it. Its good. There are not that many rings out there that are better than the ring you're about to buy (raden, primordius hc, maybe primo nhc). Since you don't seem to have the option to run ToT Normal, its a no-brainer.
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  2. #3602
    Quote Originally Posted by Kethmil View Post
    Wouldnt prot shoulder tier be a better piece, not taking account of a TF item? Mind the extra gem. If not overcapping hit, ofc.

    Take normal (522) pieces as a example:

    Tortos:
    504 crit
    336 reforged stat (if needed)
    866 haste

    vs

    Tier:
    416 Hit
    692 Mastery
    916 haste
    If you got the tier shoulder token then the Ret shoulders are better: (Unless you want the 2/4P)

    At 522:
    597 Expertise
    448 Mastery
    940 Haste (2x320 + 300)

    At 535 with 2/2:
    743 Exp
    557 Mastery
    1010 Haste

    Unless you don't need more exp somehow, or value crit > exp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riemu2k3 View Post
    If you have the money, buy it. Its good. There are not that many rings out there that are better than the ring you're about to buy (raden, primordius hc, maybe primo nhc). Since you don't seem to have the option to run ToT Normal, its a no-brainer.
    Yeah I won't get Ra'den access before SoO. No chance. That's why I upgraded my VP ring which is one of the 2 BiS items alongside primordius. I might be able to run normal ToT I really don't know but for maybe 20k... throw 20k to the wind tbh. Not convinced that 50 odd haste is worth 400stam and 300 strength and 600 dodge :P

  4. #3604
    If you had a real Primo ring, I'd say keep that. But 502 -> 535 is fine to pick up a piece that's not ideally itemized. The pure stats alone offset the small loss in haste.

    As for the "mythical shoulders of wtfever", I didn't include them in the discussion since they don't exist and are in no way reliably attainable. If you get them, great, they're obviously good, but I don't advise anyone to start burning coins trying to snag them. All of those shared boss loots that supposedly exist are the same story, and in 10M you hardly ever/never see them.

    That said, I DID coin a HC BoRis, and we got a HC TF bow drop a few weeks back, but those are literally the only 2 we've seen since week 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    I don't advise anyone to start burning coins trying to snag them.
    I'm a mount-whore (although, very unlucky one as I broke 200 mounts on wednesday only) so I burn 2 coins weekly on Horridon and Ji-Kun anyway. I also had HC TF parry/exp shoulders drop from coin when I was hunting for 1-hander on bonus rolls. That said, I've yet to see any decent 2hander from bonus rolls. We had exactly one drop of Heroic Greatsword of Frozen Hells and ofc I lost the roll on it to a warrior. Most of our melee dps got their weapons from bonus rolls too. Two of them got HC TF Bo-ris, and our DK tank hates them with passion, since he's stuck with TF Axe from LS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethora View Post
    I'm a mount-whore (although, very unlucky one as I broke 200 mounts on wednesday only) so I burn 2 coins weekly on Horridon and Ji-Kun anyway. I also had HC TF parry/exp shoulders drop from coin when I was hunting for 1-hander on bonus rolls. That said, I've yet to see any decent 2hander from bonus rolls. We had exactly one drop of Heroic Greatsword of Frozen Hells and ofc I lost the roll on it to a warrior. Most of our melee dps got their weapons from bonus rolls too. Two of them got HC TF Bo-ris, and our DK tank hates them with passion, since he's stuck with TF Axe from LS.
    I was so pissed when I burned a coin on animus first week we killed him, "LOOT!", only to recieve the pet. "Wtf is this shit, I cant equip it on my head or chest."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    I was so pissed when I burned a coin on animus first week we killed him, "LOOT!", only to recieve the pet. "Wtf is this shit, I cant equip it on my head or chest."
    Oh, good thing then, didn't know the pets could be coined. I want pets from Horridon/Ji-Kun too, so that gives me even more initiative to burn coins there.
    Also, we've yet to see a single pet drop in Throne, except for Living Sandlings on trash. Is droprate really THAT horrible or we are having retarded luck?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethora View Post
    Oh, good thing then, didn't know the pets could be coined. I want pets from Horridon/Ji-Kun too, so that gives me even more initiative to burn coins there.
    Also, we've yet to see a single pet drop in Throne, except for Living Sandlings on trash. Is droprate really THAT horrible or we are having retarded luck?
    I have seen 1 pet drop, it was this week, horridon pet, I got it

    You can also get the pets in LFR from the regular LFR loot. A friend got the DA pet like that.
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    We had 2 horridon mounts and 1 Primordius pet drop in raid i was lucky to get second horridon mount The primordius pet shocked me tho, apperently its rare drop from heroic/normal only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MerinPally View Post
    Ring stuff
    Let me get this straight... You have a 489 and a 502 currently, and are considering replacing the 502 with a 535 but not the 489?

    Is there any reason you're willing to give up 552 stamina, 288 strength, 234 haste, and a gem socket? Compare

    edit: Looking at your armory, I see the VP ring and the 489. Yeah, go ahead and replace the 489 with the 535 Durumu ring. Even if the ring was a dodge/parry ring, the additional 46 ilvls would make it better by the other stats that are available on it. Also, the "best" two rings pre-raden are durumu+primo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by promdate View Post
    Let me get this straight... You have a 489 and a 502 currently, and are considering replacing the 502 with a 535 but not the 489?

    edit: Looking at your armory, I see the VP ring and the 489. Yeah, go ahead and replace the 489 with the 535 Durumu ring. Even if the ring was a dodge/parry ring, the additional 46 ilvls would make it better by the other stats that are available on it. Also, the "best" two rings pre-raden are durumu+primo.
    Ummm not quite. I have a 489 and a 530. Considering replacing 489 with 535 despite the fact it's not a haste piece, and despite the fact that if I'm very very lucky I could get a 502 haste piece from LFR but I'm not banking on it.

    And you sure? I would've thought (assuming they're all the same ilvl, so doing some real raiding as opposed to what I'm doing unfortunately) it'd be Valor ring + Primordius because the valor ring upgraded looks superior to the Durumu ring, assuming the hit isn't required?

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    I dont know if im just being bad but i find that holding aggro on trash pulls is difficult without the vengeance. I am using a 502 weapon so it aint that bad. But i dont want to switch from seal of insight just for that or should i ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MerinPally View Post
    Ummm not quite. I have a 489 and a 530. Considering replacing 489 with 535 despite the fact it's not a haste piece, and despite the fact that if I'm very very lucky I could get a 502 haste piece from LFR but I'm not banking on it.

    And you sure? I would've thought (assuming they're all the same ilvl, so doing some real raiding as opposed to what I'm doing unfortunately) it'd be Valor ring + Primordius because the valor ring upgraded looks superior to the Durumu ring, assuming the hit isn't required?
    Valor ring has no socket

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethora View Post
    I'm a mount-whore (although, very unlucky one as I broke 200 mounts on wednesday only) so I burn 2 coins weekly on Horridon and Ji-Kun anyway. I also had HC TF parry/exp shoulders drop from coin when I was hunting for 1-hander on bonus rolls. That said, I've yet to see any decent 2hander from bonus rolls. We had exactly one drop of Heroic Greatsword of Frozen Hells and ofc I lost the roll on it to a warrior. Most of our melee dps got their weapons from bonus rolls too. Two of them got HC TF Bo-ris, and our DK tank hates them with passion, since he's stuck with TF Axe from LS.
    Fucking 25m.

    I should start coining those bosses too, but I'm trying to game loot protection for Animus, since I STILL need that chest. I'm at 192 mounts IIRC, and would like the JiKun bird (had one drop once), but not wild about the Direhorn.

    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    I was so pissed when I burned a coin on animus first week we killed him, "LOOT!", only to recieve the pet. "Wtf is this shit, I cant equip it on my head or chest."
    I would be LIVID. Holy shit. It's a running joke in the raid that I just rage after DA all the way to Qon. The amount of pissed I'd be at that point would be legendary.

    Quote Originally Posted by MerinPally View Post
    Ummm not quite. I have a 489 and a 530. Considering replacing 489 with 535 despite the fact it's not a haste piece, and despite the fact that if I'm very very lucky I could get a 502 haste piece from LFR but I'm not banking on it.

    And you sure? I would've thought (assuming they're all the same ilvl, so doing some real raiding as opposed to what I'm doing unfortunately) it'd be Valor ring + Primordius because the valor ring upgraded looks superior to the Durumu ring, assuming the hit isn't required?
    His "BIS pre RaDen" is referring to real raiding. For you, the 530 VP and 535 Durumu are good. Still not BIS, as that would be Primo/VP, but that would require raiding, so....yeah. TL;DR - ilvl trumps stats when you're talking about 2-3+ tiers of difference

    Quote Originally Posted by pkm View Post
    I dont know if im just being bad but i find that holding aggro on trash pulls is difficult without the vengeance. I am using a 502 weapon so it aint that bad. But i dont want to switch from seal of insight just for that or should i ?
    1) It's trash.
    2) If your co-tank is a Monk, just go AFK
    3) We have shit DPS without V, so taunt things to get hit, else see steps 1 and 2
    4) Weapon dps matters about 0 in terms of our damage. It affects only CS and melee, which is a moderate amount of ST damage, but very inconsequential on trash
    5) Never use anything but SOI
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkm View Post
    I dont know if im just being bad but i find that holding aggro on trash pulls is difficult without the vengeance. I am using a 502 weapon so it aint that bad. But i dont want to switch from seal of insight just for that or should i ?
    Where do you have problems? Holding threat against another tank? Or against DPS?

    I usually have no problem holding aggro against DPS. It only gets hairy when there are 6+ mobs or sth like that and your AS doesnt hit them all. You need to taunt those that break out. Thats completetly normal. At least it is if you have 545+ geared DPS that actually care to do their job during trash and that is dealing as much as damage as they can.

    If you have aggro problems against other tanks, especially monks, I would advice to just stop caring. Seriously. I have stopped bothering since I cant keep aggro against our monk. Its just not possible. Even with Vengeance.

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    Seriously. I run in on Qon and gather them all up. TROLOLOLOLKEGSMASHSCKBOF....Sigh, brb getting a beer.

    I just started making him respec in the hallway so I can actually have fun.

    @Space - The valor ring is 522 though, and Merin only LFR's so he'd be stuck with a 502Primo (decent) and 502Durumu(meh) for one socket. No bueno. Better off with the 522 and a 502 Primo, or in his case, this 535 that he can/did buy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacebot View Post
    Valor ring has no socket
    Thank you, I did notice But assuming you're using haste gems all over and then some reforging, you get more haste out of the VP ring than the reforged Durumu with a haste gem in it. If they were the same ilvl then it's simple but they aren't. There's a 30 point gap

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    Quote Originally Posted by MerinPally View Post
    Thank you, I did notice But assuming you're using haste gems all over and then some reforging, you get more haste out of the VP ring than the reforged Durumu with a haste gem in it. If they were the same ilvl then it's simple but they aren't. There's a 30 point gap
    If I had the opportunity, I'd replace the MSV LFR haste trinket with the 522 VP trinket, replace the 489 with the 535, and keep running daily h.scenarios hoping to replace the 489/496 items with 516's. Sometimes I honestly wonder if people over-value haste by just ignoring other stats (I know for a fact the majority of you 100% ignore dodge/parry, even though it does have some beneficial use... even more so next patch). In general though, the VP+Primo rings are BiS for you at the LFR level.

    "Real raiding" aside, you can't look at items individually in a vacuum. You have to take your other items into consideration and how it will affect reforges and gems. Yes "item x" may have more individual haste than "item y", but "item y" may end up giving you more overall haste because it lets you change reforges around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    Seriously. I run in on Qon and gather them all up. TROLOLOLOLKEGSMASHSCKBOF....Sigh, brb getting a beer.

    I just started making him respec in the hallway so I can actually have fun.

    @Space - The valor ring is 522 though, and Merin only LFR's so he'd be stuck with a 502Primo (decent) and 502Durumu(meh) for one socket. No bueno. Better off with the 522 and a 502 Primo, or in his case, this 535 that he can/did buy.
    That's why you BoP the Monk as soon as he rolls into the mobs and starts throwing beers around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by promdate View Post
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    Working on all of this, problem is getting any of it to drop. And I'm aware of the whole item vacuum thing don't worry, I used to do real raiding When it comes to designating the very pinnacle though it's a lot easier, and in this ring case it's rather simple in that I needed to be certain my sleep deprived brain wasn't miscalculating. Dodge and parry gear doesn't scare me, it's still our greatest damage reduction stat and the damage I take is most definitely not spiky (hence I even brought up the ring). My dps seems ok as well so that'd be the other thought.

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