1. #4401
    Under flasks & elixirs, you skipped out Elixir of the Rapids (750 haste, battle elixir) which is easily superior to other battle elixirs and nicely counterbalancing to 1500 stam depending on your needs in the encounter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gothmog View Post
    Under flasks & elixirs, you skipped out Elixir of the Rapids (750 haste, battle elixir) which is easily superior to other battle elixirs and nicely counterbalancing to 1500 stam depending on your needs in the encounter.
    Oops I did indeed, thank you very much. Completely didn't notice that.

    Edit: Amended.
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  3. #4403
    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo View Post
    I've been starting to simply spam 3 stack BoGs on fights where survivability was not an issue for the sake of maxing Glyph of WoG and ShoR uptimes. Might not be all that great but seeing 30+ sec on ShoR with a lucky streak is fun.

    Edit: Heroic Warforged Vial Boooyah!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacebubble View Post
    Why not go for 4p if you're going for 2p anyway. chest and shoulder are both exp/mastery and once we get fully SoO geared reaching 50% haste with that 4p is easily attainable. Doesn't get much better itemized than exp/mastery after that and the 4p really is pretty good.

    One thing that some of you aren't considering regarding the 4p is that you can use EF on a raid member. This basically means that every single time you use a sotr after 3 stacks you get a free 3hopo EF to cast on a raid member (which can proc DP) Not as good as chaining harsh words but it's extra procs and a lot of raid healing. Consider running around with 300k vengeance and being able to toss out 4 EFs for free on raid members each 'cycle'.
    haste+parry and exp+mastery vs haste+mastery and haste+mastery (plus offpieces drop off H protectors + galak vs thok and siege, combined with benefit for us vs benefit for other ppl on same tier token)

  4. #4404
    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    10/10 jelly of vial
    That's only our third heroic warforged trinket this week.
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  5. #4405
    Guys, wich neck piece are you aiming for as bis?

    No haste/str one on this tier, so my posibilites are:

    Inmerseus crystalline eye (agi+haste+mastery)
    Gleaming eye of the deilsaur (agi+haste+crit)
    Ashflare Pendant (int+haste+hit)
    Juggernaut's Ignition Keys (str+hit+mastery)

    Being prolly haste capped later in the tier will justify getting last one? Or are planning on getting one of the agi/int ones, after "rightful raiders" get theirs?

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    Juggernauts. Almost certainly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo View Post
    That's only our third heroic warforged trinket this week.
    I would call hax if not for the fact that we got 2-4 (not sure exact number) heroic warforged weapons this week.

    And def juggernaut.

  8. #4408
    Not sure what other's experience is but my co-tank, a warrior, is beating me in DPS now. If there are adds, I'm one thunderclap away from not tanking anything. I feel like I'm struggling to fight warrior bleeds for threat (slight exaggeration). Even Raidbots is showing paladins at the bottom now. Is this payback after dominating for an entire expansion?

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    Try with a BrM -_-. Unless I can have like 10 secs with the adds to get vengeance and aggro he'll just come in, Keg Smash and RJW and aggro all of them while I stand there crying against my shield.

    As far as I can tell the only fight where I clearly beat his DPS was Garrosh (probs related to me tanking Garrosh during P1) and Iron Jugg is usually pretty even, everything else he clearly beats me, specially if there's AoE. Gladly I got a bunch of gear this last week, got like 2 or 3 pieces just yesterday which brought me really close to the haste cap (should hit it once I have enough VP to upgrade them all) and may make it closer but, yea, as far as I can tell Paladins are really bad on tank dps atm unless you get more uptime on the boss or pull some gimmick (one of the guilds in our realm actually did this for a while, having a tank there who's only job was to taunt stuff until the other cleared stacks).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimord View Post
    Try with a BrM -_-. Unless I can have like 10 secs with the adds to get vengeance and aggro he'll just come in, Keg Smash and RJW and aggro all of them while I stand there crying against my shield.

    As far as I can tell the only fight where I clearly beat his DPS was Garrosh (probs related to me tanking Garrosh during P1) and Iron Jugg is usually pretty even, everything else he clearly beats me, specially if there's AoE. Gladly I got a bunch of gear this last week, got like 2 or 3 pieces just yesterday which brought me really close to the haste cap (should hit it once I have enough VP to upgrade them all) and may make it closer but, yea, as far as I can tell Paladins are really bad on tank dps atm unless you get more uptime on the boss or pull some gimmick (one of the guilds in our realm actually did this for a while, having a tank there who's only job was to taunt stuff until the other cleared stacks).
    I wouldn't say that we're incredibly far behind tho. I can see it sometimes being hard to curb stop other tanks in dps like we used to, but i'd say that we're still fairly competetive.

  11. #4411
    I used to tank with a Brewmaster and although I had a disadvantage in gear, there was no competition damage wise, I got beat in any scenario, most of all AoE of course.

    Now I'm tanking with a DK, also outdpsing me handily. Not nearly as much in AoE as Brewmaster ofc. He's in dps gear.

    Did a tiny bit of tanking with a warrior, also no contest in AoE tanking, seemed pretty even on singletarget. He's crit build.

    Playing my Guardian alt, I don't see a pally holding aoe threat against a druid either.

    What's left?

    To sum up.. I think we may actually be the worst aoe threat class. Singletarget damage we may be lacking a bit behind few other classes (especially monk) but nothing too serious.
    Get to high enough vengeance however and it evens out... sadly, that isn't a very frequent scenario.

  12. #4412
    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    I wouldn't say that we're incredibly far behind tho. I can see it sometimes being hard to curb stop other tanks in dps like we used to, but i'd say that we're still fairly competetive.
    http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Sha_of_Pr...00011111000000
    http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Galakras/...00011111000000
    http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spoils_of...00011111000000

    We're definitely behind on aoe fights by a large margin. I mean I even lose aggro of the Garrosh adds to our monk tank even though he has next to no vengeance compared to me. (220k vs 50k?)
    Idk - they would probably have to buff HotR by a lot (like 50%) to make us competitive on aoe fights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo View Post
    http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Sha_of_Pr...00011111000000
    http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Galakras/...00011111000000
    http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spoils_of...00011111000000

    We're definitely behind on aoe fights by a large margin. I mean I even lose aggro of the Garrosh adds to our monk tank even though he has next to no vengeance compared to me. (220k vs 50k?)
    Idk - they would probably have to buff HotR by a lot (like 50%) to make us competitive on aoe fights.
    HotR is ubershit even with +100% buff.

    This is Dark shamans with me going uber scumbag mode (granted lfr) http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/y...?s=3086&e=3485
    Every time slimes were up i used HotR, as you can see it did a wonderful 2.7% of total dmg.
    I'd say they should buff it by 200%+ to make it not terribad. (Ideally i liked cata version, when all bad tanks used only it, but cs would still be slightly ahead on single target)

    edit : it also might not be parsing some of the logs correctly, since i know for a fact that some of my logs weren't counted in. :/ (into the statistics)

  14. #4414
    Or maybe make Alabaster Shield cause aoe damage.

    And yeah idk why HotR is still in the game - most of the time I only use it once on an add group to spread the dmg debuff and then don't bother with it because I've already moved it to a bad keybinding.
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  15. #4415
    1)
    don't ask, buy my prot pally is a tailor (it is an alt that use to be holy..) - should i use the 200 stam general enchant - or the tailor dps enchant? wowhead.com/spell=125483 (sometimes increase your attack power by 4000 for 15 sec.)

    2)
    Why do guides recommend 170 mastery on gloves instead of 170 str? wowhead.com/spell=104419/enchant-gloves-super-strength
    I understand that 2:1 secondary better than str, but with str giving lots of parry + dps (more dps = more self heals + things die faster. and parry now giving GC procs - and not likly to be near the DR limits as we reforge most of it into haste these days anyways.)
    With enchant gloves str being a 1:1 ratio with the secondary I would expect it to be better?
    2b)
    Same question for wrists as the str option is 1:1 with secondary stats.

    3)
    with the nerf to EF done Oct 12, 2013 (reduced the self heal bonus from 100% to only 50%). is it worth going back to SS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anyone42 View Post
    1)
    don't ask, buy my prot pally is a tailor (it is an alt that use to be holy..) - should i use the 200 stam general enchant - or the tailor dps enchant? wowhead.com/spell=125483 (sometimes increase your attack power by 4000 for 15 sec.)

    2)
    Why do guides recommend 170 mastery on gloves instead of 170 str? wowhead.com/spell=104419/enchant-gloves-super-strength
    I understand that 2:1 secondary better than str, but with str giving lots of parry + dps (more dps = more self heals + things die faster. and parry now giving GC procs - and not likly to be near the DR limits as we reforge most of it into haste these days anyways.)
    With enchant gloves str being a 1:1 ratio with the secondary I would expect it to be better?
    2b)
    Same question for wrists as the str option is 1:1 with secondary stats.

    3)
    with the nerf to EF done Oct 12, 2013 (reduced the self heal bonus from 100% to only 50%). is it worth going back to SS?
    2) You should be using haste enchant on gloves, I don't see any reason to use mastery or str.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anyone42 View Post
    3)
    with the nerf to EF done Oct 12, 2013 (reduced the self heal bonus from 100% to only 50%). is it worth going back to SS?
    That nerf actually went in on Sept 24; the recent patch only updated the UI to reflect this change. Back then it was determined back that Eternal Flame is still better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethora View Post
    2) You should be using haste enchant on gloves, I don't see any reason to use mastery or str.
    maybe expertise, if you need for cap. but yeah, definitely not mastery if you have exp/haste as option and even more definitely not str.

  19. #4419
    I actually found myself intentionally dropping below expertise cap in favor of mastery for a few fights. Dunno, just felt on so many fights that expertise cap was really not needed. Been rocking around 12 expertise on quite a few fights, was even down to 10 expertise on siegecrafter hc as I exchanged my expertise trinket for the CDR trinket to try it out for that fight.
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  20. #4420
    I have so much damn expertise that I reforged out of it on my tank cloak - not parry.

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