1. #4481
    Quote Originally Posted by Spacebubble View Post
    You just wait till you get to the latter part of heroic siege ))))
    Also, tbh the reason i don't care much for tank BoA's is that i'm comparing N garrosh boa vs heroic shield/weapons.
    Obviously the heroic BoA is BIS, but untill i start killing him on heroic, they're inferior to a loot that's already "available"

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    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    Also, tbh the reason i don't care much for tank BoA's is that i'm comparing N garrosh boa vs heroic shield/weapons.
    Obviously the heroic BoA is BIS, but untill i start killing him on heroic, they're inferior to a loot that's already "available"
    Don't know - maybe if you're really undergeared otherwise I'd value the 2nd socket higher than the extra armor/sta/str on a hc shield.

  3. #4483
    Quote Originally Posted by Spacebubble View Post
    Don't know - maybe if you're really undergeared otherwise I'd value the 2nd socket higher than the extra armor/sta/str on a hc shield.
    I would value the hc shield over the normal any day considering the physical damage nature of a lot of siege. The socket does not outweigh the armor imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    I would value the hc shield over the normal any day considering the physical damage nature of a lot of siege. The socket does not outweigh the armor imo.
    Depends on the kind of gear you have when you do the fights I guess. And what kind of haste levels you can stay at/reach with each shield. Right now I'd stick to the heroic shield. But if the 350 extra haste I could get from the shield would let me stay haste capped versus not being haste capped I might value it differently.

    And if I were 570 by the time I got to the latter bosses I'd probably also pick the extra socket. (assuming the haste is still valuable when going for the cap).

  5. #4485
    I have heroic holy shield from spoils (spirit/mastery) in bags, and normal nazgrim on me. None is WF. Is HC holy better ? I'd wage it can be thx to ilvl (I kept my HTF tortos shield from week 5 ToT to nazgrim shield) what's buging me is that it doesn't have haste, but..

  6. #4486
    Quote Originally Posted by Spacebubble View Post
    Depends on the kind of gear you have when you do the fights I guess. And what kind of haste levels you can stay at/reach with each shield. Right now I'd stick to the heroic shield. But if the 350 extra haste I could get from the shield would let me stay haste capped versus not being haste capped I might value it differently.

    And if I were 570 by the time I got to the latter bosses I'd probably also pick the extra socket. (assuming the haste is still valuable when going for the cap).
    To be honest, I would maybe take the garrosh shield over the Sha HC shield, but compared to the nazgrim or spoils shield, you are just losing to much mastery and armor, both of which are extremely valuable in the later heroic modes.
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  7. #4487
    I would go with the heroic shield over the BoA normal as well.

    Also, don't let me go back into the general discussion forum Firefly.../facepalm

  8. #4488
    Quote Originally Posted by Aceshigh View Post
    I would go with the heroic shield over the BoA normal as well.

    Also, don't let me go back into the general discussion forum Firefly.../facepalm
    I am trying my best to stay out of there haha. Finding it really hard to keep a civil discussion there as some peoples reading comprehension is non existant.
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  9. #4489
    Quote Originally Posted by Spacebubble View Post
    Depends on the kind of gear you have when you do the fights I guess. And what kind of haste levels you can stay at/reach with each shield. Right now I'd stick to the heroic shield. But if the 350 extra haste I could get from the shield would let me stay haste capped versus not being haste capped I might value it differently.

    And if I were 570 by the time I got to the latter bosses I'd probably also pick the extra socket. (assuming the haste is still valuable when going for the cap).
    http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items...24:76699:76699

    It doesn't win in any of the criterias AND it can't be warforged.

  10. #4490
    Yeah, I'm setting my loot spec to retribution at Garrosh, because I'll at least use the 2h axe while levelling.

    A weapon is a stat stick for prot anyway, and I have the HC-TF axe from Jin'rohk (605 hit, 408 expertise with two 320 haste gems in it) which has about the same amount of stat points on a SoO weapon due to the additional socket.
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  11. #4491
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    Yeah, I'm setting my loot spec to retribution at Garrosh, because I'll at least use the 2h axe while levelling.
    Your new avatar is confusing me.
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    Your new avatar is confusing me.
    My old one stopped working for some reason, and I couldn't find the file on my PC to upload it again so I chose something else.
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  13. #4493
    http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items...99.0.0.0.131.2

    Sorry but there's just no way the BoA shield is better.
    747 armor >> tiny weeny bit of haste and the other stats are more than enough to compensate for the loss in mastery.
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    300 haste in itself isn't a lot. but 300 haste more than another item at 560+ is quite a lot actually. If I had not gotten the leggs I currently use I would've been 300 below gcd cap using my current setup. I'd certainly consider it. Doesn't mean I might change on certain fights but in the end that's what I would go with.

  15. #4495
    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo View Post
    http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items...99.0.0.0.131.2

    Sorry but there's just no way the BoA shield is better.
    747 armor >> tiny weeny bit of haste and the other stats are more than enough to compensate for the loss in mastery.
    http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items...24:76699:76699
    fixed it for you :P

    Quote Originally Posted by Spacebubble View Post
    300 haste in itself isn't a lot. but 300 haste more than another item at 560+ is quite a lot actually. If I had not gotten the leggs I currently use I would've been 300 below gcd cap using my current setup. I'd certainly consider it. Doesn't mean I might change on certain fights but in the end that's what I would go with.
    In previous posts we were discussing heroic pieces, in which case the malkork shield wins haste,stam,armor for a bit of mastery, while nazzy's shield wins stam,armor,expertise,mastery for some haste.

  16. #4496
    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    Meh too complicated with that int shield mixed in.
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  17. #4497
    Quote Originally Posted by rhandric View Post
    So now that I have my 2 pc, I'm trying to figure out the best way to use it/DP for each fight. Any thoughts? 10N, if that makes any difference.
    Completely forget that I was planning to reply to this

    I found that there is a few ways to use the DP decently depending on the fight.

    1. Use it before applying EF (without 4p) to reduce the opportunity cost of EF. I do this on a lot of fights nowadays, especially in the pull
    5x SotR -> Wait for SotR buff to go out -> DP -> Build up enough HoPo for EF, use EF at 5 HoPo or when you lost health -> Continue on.
    That way you get a nice protection during the time you are vurnable aswell as get maximum HoT from the 2p.

    2. Use it before you know you are gonna take massive damage. Could be using the 40% magic one before you take physical damage, just to get a high HoT

    3. Use it as a filler between your other CDs. Pretty much same reason as 1)

    4. Use it as you did before
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  18. #4498
    2. Use it before you know you are gonna take massive damage. Could be using the 40% magic one before you take physical damage, just to get a high HoT
    Can also be done with the T15_4p, to get a lot of Holy Power.
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  19. #4499
    Thanks FF. 4 is out of the question because my DP usage is sparing at best (pretty much only use it when a magic attack is coming, unglyphed). I want to try to use it on CD (while actively tanking), with the exception of making sure I have it up when I need it.

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  20. #4500
    Quote Originally Posted by rhandric View Post
    my DP usage is sparing at best (pretty much only use it when a magic attack is coming, unglyphed)
    Same as mine then
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