1. #4561
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    Not to 0 as it still increases the tick speed of EF/SS, reduces cast time, reduces CDs and increase melee swings for more SoI procs.

    But, after 50% it becomes far, far, less valuable and it is defiately not worth stacking it after that point.
    Reduced cast time on FoL, and the reduced CD on skills isn't really beneficial.
    Although it does increase HPS, that is true. Obviously you end up better increasing mastery/crit at that point.

  2. #4562
    Quote Originally Posted by Wanko View Post
    Obviously you end up better increasing mastery/crit at that point.
    Yes, of course. Was just pointing out that the value is not absolutely 0 after 50% but still it is very low.

    Reduced cast time on FoL is extremely benefitial though. I found myself casting FoL several times on Siegecrafter/Paragons and Garrosh HC. It FoL can be a life saver sometimes. Better I stop and cast FoL then our druid has to stop and cast Rebirth later.

    Reduced CDs is a matter of breakpoints, none of which we can really reach without procs and/or BL so that is kinda not beneficial at the haste levels obtainable.
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  3. #4563
    Noticed two fairly annoying bugs.

    Just realised that salvation does not always drop aggro on targets...

    Also, correct me if I am wrong, but interrupts are never supposed to be able to miss anymore? I just had one of my interrupts being BLOCKED on an add in SoO. As far as I remember didnt they change so that interrupt always hit? Quite annoying wiping because "My interrupt got blocked"
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  4. #4564
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    Just realised that salvation does not always drop aggro on targets...
    I had this come up in LFR once, I wanted to reset my stacks, so I used HoSalv on myself.
    Surprisingly the boss still kept on attacking me. :\

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    I can confirm the hos too.

    It's not often, no...but it has happened here and there for me too. And OH YES, it's annoying!!!

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    Yea, the HoS thing happened to me a few times too. I have tidy plates to change colour based on aggro towards me and sometimes I'd pop HoS, the plates would change to red (meaning I'm not the main aggro target) and I would still be the target.


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    It is because hand of salvation does not drop aggro, it reduces your threat by 70 million, so if the second person on the aggro tables is more than 70 million threat behind you then you will not drop aggro.
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    Interesting!

    How about the mechanics behind Rebuke then? Any thoughts why you got blocked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brollgarth View Post
    Interesting!

    How about the mechanics behind Rebuke then? Any thoughts why you got blocked?
    I believe that I could hear the shaman shouting out "BECAUSE FUCK YOU THATS WHY!?". Maybe it just wanted to heal haha?

    I really got no clue. The thing is that it was not an immune, not a miss, it was BLOCKED, and that is what bothers me.
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  10. #4570
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    I"BECAUSE FUCK YOU THATS WHY!?"
    ^ lol

    Also, I haven't noticed a block I should pay attention to that and see if I get it. I do remember random times when I have seen that on my scrolling battle text, but I never thought anything of it...this was a little while ago...not sure what it happened but I will try to remember and see what and when its happening.


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    Epic block % on the spell caster then!!! Rofl thinking of the shammy now, and can't stop from laughing :P


    But all lolz aside, I do wan't to know what's the story behind it...
    Obviously it's not affected by hit&exp, nothing on it in the tool tip to even suggest that... [Rebuke]

    So far it looks like an



    I will get to the bottom of this...

  12. #4572
    Looking at logs from last night, i got blocked 3 times. Farseer Wolf Rider blocked me one time, and Embodied Doubt twice.

    Very weird. I never even noticed the embodied doubt blocking me, but I dont use rebuke to interrupt there anyway. Or only as backup but never needed really.
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    is there a quick'n'dirty calculation what the exact haste cap becomes once you have thok's trinket? depending on itemlvl, obviously?

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    Yes. It's like 19600 I think, plus or minus 500. That's for heroic warforged though I think, for a more likely version it's like 20400 +/- 300 I believe? Someone will have the exact numbers but they're in that ballpark. I think.

  15. #4575
    Quote Originally Posted by xebtria View Post
    is there a quick'n'dirty calculation what the exact haste cap becomes once you have thok's trinket? depending on itemlvl, obviously?
    fix'd numbers below on next post
    Last edited by Jellospally; 2013-11-05 at 02:19 AM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jellospally View Post
    H WF Thoks: 19337
    H Thoks: 19440
    N WF Thoks: 19555
    N Thoks: 19647
    Flex Thoks: 19830
    LFR Thoks: 19981
    I'm assuming those numbers are 2/2 ?

  17. #4577
    Quote Originally Posted by Spacebubble View Post
    I'm assuming those numbers are 2/2 ?
    Yes i didn't mention it but all those are 2/2 upgraded also i updated the real numbers i messed up a little the first time by a few hundred haste.

    If you use Haste Elixir and food these are the ratings you need before using them with X trinket.
    If you don't use haste food add 200 more haste before trinket.

    H WF Thoks: 19496---Haste Elixir+Food(18546) - without food(18746)
    H Thoks: 19584---Haste Elixir+Food(18634) - without food(18834)
    N WF Thoks: 19680---Haste Elixir+Food(18730) - without food(18930)
    N Thoks: 19760---Haste Elixir+Food(18810) - without food(19010)
    Flex Thoks: 19920---Haste Elixir+Food(18970) - without food(19170)
    LFR Thoks: 20051---Haste Elixir+Food(19191) - without food(19391)
    Last edited by Jellospally; 2013-11-05 at 02:20 AM.


  18. #4578
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    Looking at logs from last night, i got blocked 3 times. Farseer Wolf Rider blocked me one time, and Embodied Doubt twice.

    Very weird. I never even noticed the embodied doubt blocking me, but I dont use rebuke to interrupt there anyway. Or only as backup but never needed really.
    I'm willing to bet that if you query your log for the fight where the wolfrider blocked your Rebuke, you'll find one of two scenarios. Either someone interrupted him a fraction of a second before you, or the cast went off and a fraction of a second later your Rebuke went off. To you, it might look like you pressed Rebuke during the cast, but we know latency can screw us over at times.

    Interrupts are only 100% hit if something is actually being casted. Otherwise they're just a melee attack.

  19. #4579
    Quote Originally Posted by Kortane View Post
    I'm willing to bet that if you query your log for the fight where the wolfrider blocked your Rebuke, you'll find one of two scenarios. Either someone interrupted him a fraction of a second before you, or the cast went off and a fraction of a second later your Rebuke went off. To you, it might look like you pressed Rebuke during the cast, but we know latency can screw us over at times.

    Interrupts are only 100% hit if something is actually being casted. Otherwise they're just a melee attack.
    The logs would not say Blocked if someone else interrupted it, would it? Not sure how that works, but now for sure that a cast got off from Wolfrider on Garrosh HC that wiped us. My raid leader first got pissed, but then we checked logs since I said I was sure I interrupted it, and sure enough, I interrupted in time and it said "Rebuke BLOCKED". Yesterday the same thing happened but I was fast enough to interrupt with Avenger Shield.
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  20. #4580
    Quote Originally Posted by Kortane View Post
    or the cast went off and a fraction of a second later your Rebuke went off. To you, it might look like you pressed Rebuke during the cast, but we know latency can screw us over at times.

    Interrupts are only 100% hit if something is actually being casted. Otherwise they're just a melee attack.
    pretty sure this is why your kick was blocked.

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