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    Quote Originally Posted by Riemu2k3 View Post
    Lust at Pull, P1 gets Thok to about 65%, P2 starts with about 58% - DPS should be fine.
    We kite him to about 15 Stacks.
    I do not know much about the CD rotation as honestly I dont care about that in my raid group

    I can make a few words about the % though.

    This is the spreadsheet that my guild used for progressing thok, at the time there was only 7 guilds with public logs and/or videos of the kill and we collected all of their %s

    Should be noted that all this is with between 550-558 average group item level

    P1: Acceleration 21/25/27/24/29/27/27 average: 26
    Boss % 66%/69%/60%/70%/64%/66%/67% avg: 66%

    Kite 1: Bloodfrenzy 15/15/13/13/15/16/15 avg: 15
    Boss % 55%/57%/46%/61%/51%/55%/56% avg: 54%

    P2: Acceleration 18/24/4/24/28/26/24 avg: 21
    Boss % 42%/37%/42%/46%/31%/39%/40% avg: 40%

    Kite 2: Bloodfrenzy 9/15/10/12/13/16/16 avg: 13
    Boss % 36%/25%/35%/27%/21%/28%/29% avg: 29%

    P3: Acceleration 12/9/17/12/13/19/15 avg: 14
    Boss % 27%/18%/23%/29%/13%/13%/18% avg: 20%

    Kite 3: Bloodfrenzy 13/14/10/12/16/15/10 avg: 13
    Boss% 20%/11%/14%/20%/DEAD!!/2%/11% avg: 11%

    P4: Acceleration 12/6/3/9/3/5 avg: 5
    Boss % 8%/7%/11%/13%/-/3%/8% avg: 7%

    Kite 4 - DEAD

    There was a clear difference in when people used BL, some used BL in P1 and others P2.
    Personally my guild used BL in P2 so no BL at pull, and pushing the boss to 71-68%~ before the first blood frenzy, we killed the boss 2 seconds after the enrage.
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    Thanks for this.

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    Question about the Prot rotation

    Okay so say Judgement is going to come off CD .4 seconds before CS. Do I hold for CS or just hit Judge and delay CS with a Global CD.

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    At .4 seconds definitely use Judgement - heck I wouldn't even wait if it was .1
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    Been trying to browse through a few pages in this thread, but couldn't find exact info on Haste cap with Thok's N(2/2) trinket. I saw the post by Jellospally but does it assume you use the Haste Elixir regardless?

    I just tank alt runs and I always use Stam Flask(because Shaman boxes give me so many of them) and Stam food because of guild feasts. Atm as I sit in game without any buffs(other than Seal), I have 19,447 Haste rating(45.76% Melee / 60.33% Spell) at 553 iLvl(Full Armory in signature below).

    Been trying to find exact info on all of this haste cap nonsense but haven't been able to find any info on all possible combinations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tehterokkar View Post
    Been trying to browse through a few pages in this thread, but couldn't find exact info on Haste cap with Thok's N(2/2) trinket. I saw the post by Jellospally but does it assume you use the Haste Elixir regardless?

    I just tank alt runs and I always use Stam Flask(because Shaman boxes give me so many of them) and Stam food because of guild feasts. Atm as I sit in game without any buffs(other than Seal), I have 19,447 Haste rating(45.76% Melee / 60.33% Spell) at 553 iLvl(Full Armory in signature below).

    Been trying to find exact info on all of this haste cap nonsense but haven't been able to find any info on all possible combinations.
    To simplify his comment
    H WF Thoks: 19496---Haste Elixir+Food(18546) - without food(18746)
    H Thoks: 19584---Haste Elixir+Food(18634) - without food(18834)
    N WF Thoks: 19680---Haste Elixir+Food(18730) - without food(18930)
    N Thoks: 19760---Haste Elixir+Food(18810) - without food(19010)
    Flex Thoks: 19920---Haste Elixir+Food(18970) - without food(19170)
    LFR Thoks: 20051---Haste Elixir+Food(19191) - without food(19391)
    Bolded is how much you need.
    Now it doesn't matter how you get it, gear/gems/elixir/food it's the same. The other numbers just show the amount of haste you need from gear+gems to reach it if you are using elixir or food.
    (I can see a lot of people going for elixir one, not so much for using food).

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    Welcome back Merin :-)

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    Totally unrelated: Has anybody else wondered why it is so fucking hard to reach 50% haste!? I mean, I have an average itemlevel of 568 but only approx. 45% Haste. That's with 2/2 NHC thok and malkorok trinket. Not running that many non-haste items...
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    I guess the tank cloak is what's "holding" us from gaining 2-3% haste at the cost of the proc.

    I took the BiS list from AMR (4pc HC: helm, shoulders, chest and gloves) all other pieces HC WF 2/2 (+2 JC haste gems) and it's just reaching 50% haste with the tank cloak.

    I just consider it to be icing on the cake if I can reach this cap later.

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    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ombie/advanced

    So I'm a bit confused, I've been playing my paladin as prot for a couple of weeks now (since I got the Heirloom shield) and I've been loving it but I still feel like I'm squishy, I don't have any logs (I keep forgetting to log) but I'm doing my best to keep up SotR but it's just not happening where it's up 80%+ of the time. That being said, I'm pretty sure it's just due to lack of haste (and gear) but I'm confused a little on the gear side, should I be trying for just ret gear in flex? What trinkets should I be using, at most I'd be tanking flex and I see some people are saying you don't need stam trinkets so should I be using Malkorok/Thok? I'm guessing if we're going full haste to ignore the 2/4pc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riemu2k3 View Post
    Welcome back Merin :-)

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    Totally unrelated: Has anybody else wondered why it is so fucking hard to reach 50% haste!? I mean, I have an average itemlevel of 568 but only approx. 45% Haste. That's with 2/2 NHC thok and malkorok trinket. Not running that many non-haste items...
    Seems like poor gear tbh, in 556 ilvl (aww yis) i'm running 47% haste (with the tank cloak)

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    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ombie/advanced

    So I'm a bit confused, I've been playing my paladin as prot for a couple of weeks now (since I got the Heirloom shield) and I've been loving it but I still feel like I'm squishy, I don't have any logs (I keep forgetting to log) but I'm doing my best to keep up SotR but it's just not happening where it's up 80%+ of the time. That being said, I'm pretty sure it's just due to lack of haste (and gear) but I'm confused a little on the gear side, should I be trying for just ret gear in flex? What trinkets should I be using, at most I'd be tanking flex and I see some people are saying you don't need stam trinkets so should I be using Malkorok/Thok? I'm guessing if we're going full haste to ignore the 2/4pc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextar View Post
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ombie/advanced

    So I'm a bit confused, I've been playing my paladin as prot for a couple of weeks now (since I got the Heirloom shield) and I've been loving it but I still feel like I'm squishy, I don't have any logs (I keep forgetting to log) but I'm doing my best to keep up SotR but it's just not happening where it's up 80%+ of the time. That being said, I'm pretty sure it's just due to lack of haste (and gear) but I'm confused a little on the gear side, should I be trying for just ret gear in flex? What trinkets should I be using, at most I'd be tanking flex and I see some people are saying you don't need stam trinkets so should I be using Malkorok/Thok? I'm guessing if we're going full haste to ignore the 2/4pc?
    Without logs, it's hard to know why you "feel" squishy. 22% haste in 533 gear seems a bit low, but sometimes there's nothing you can do about it (though I'd strongly suggest you replace one of your trinkets, probably Alacrity of Xuen since it doesn't have reforgable secondary stats, with the Brutal SPA trinket...hell, you might see more mileage out of replacing both trinkets, and getting yourself the Brutal SPA and the GID trinkets - you'd end up with a lot more useful stats, 1800 secondary stats from GID is nothing to laugh at when compared to the trinkets you've currently got).

    In terms of what you should be shooting for, Malk and Thok's trinkets are what I'll be shooting for, and outside of very specific bosses (Malk and Nazgrim, possibly Siegecrafter for the weapon), you should be loot-speccing ret. Yes, they added haste gear to the prot tables, but for most bosses that means you've got a spattering of haste gear mixed in with d/p gear, cluttering the prot table and making your likelihood of getting something useful incredibly small.

    Without logs, there's not really much other advice I can give you, assuming you've read the OP and know how to play the spec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextar View Post
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ombie/advanced

    So I'm a bit confused, I've been playing my paladin as prot for a couple of weeks now (since I got the Heirloom shield) and I've been loving it but I still feel like I'm squishy, I don't have any logs (I keep forgetting to log) but I'm doing my best to keep up SotR but it's just not happening where it's up 80%+ of the time. That being said, I'm pretty sure it's just due to lack of haste (and gear) but I'm confused a little on the gear side, should I be trying for just ret gear in flex? What trinkets should I be using, at most I'd be tanking flex and I see some people are saying you don't need stam trinkets so should I be using Malkorok/Thok? I'm guessing if we're going full haste to ignore the 2/4pc?
    You're not going to hit that level of SHOTR uptime for a longtime. You need a really high haste value and with the 22% you have you're not going to get it, even with the luckiest DP procs. Should probably take a look at your gems, the socket bonuses really aren't all that exciting or beneficial. You want gear that comes with haste on it whilst retaining hit cap and a lot of expertise (7.5% minimum, really you want 15% but you can run with less if you get a big haste boost - I have like 13.5% I think).

    You want gear with haste and mastery on it. Crit doesn't do anything for our survival but those 2 do. If you check my armory, I have a far lower itemlvl but just due to better itemization have more stats across the board (obviously excluding health). It's just a gear issue, there's always a chasm left between tiers that is filled by LFR but it doesn't fill it up to the top so whilst the ilvl is there the itemization isn't as great. Keep gearing and you'll be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    Seems like poor gear tbh, in 556 ilvl (aww yis) i'm running 47% haste (with the tank cloak)
    It all comes from preferences and/or loot chance. For example you got the Spark equipped. This counts a good portion of your haste bank. When you will replace it (if you do) you will lose some haste at the cost of cd reduction with Malk's trinket, or stam + whatever.

    It's still relatively "easy" to get to 50% haste, but you will have to make compromises such as no parts bonus, maybe only the 2pc, trinkets, dps/tank cloak and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moussaka View Post
    It all comes from preferences and/or loot chance. For example you got the Spark equipped. This counts a good portion of your haste bank. When you will replace it (if you do) you will lose some haste at the cost of cd reduction with Malk's trinket, or stam + whatever.

    It's still relatively "easy" to get to 50% haste, but you will have to make compromises such as no parts bonus, maybe only the 2pc, trinkets, dps/tank cloak and so on.
    Yeah but we aren't dealing with a case that has like 40% haste, it's 22%. He has bigger gearing problems than "do I get the 2pc, the tank cloak or the dps cloak?" Just a case of being undergeared due to using the catchup mechanics to get the gear he has rather than raids, which leaves a void in the stats you posess. Not itemized as he'd like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MerinPally View Post
    Yeah but we aren't dealing with a case that has like 40% haste, it's 22%. He has bigger gearing problems than "do I get the 2pc, the tank cloak or the dps cloak?" Just a case of being undergeared due to using the catchup mechanics to get the gear he has rather than raids, which leaves a void in the stats you posess. Not itemized as he'd like it.
    For this case you're talking about, I agree 100% but I was discussing Riemu's concern. Maybe I should made it clearer, my bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MerinPally View Post
    Yeah but we aren't dealing with a case that has like 40% haste, it's 22%. He has bigger gearing problems than "do I get the 2pc, the tank cloak or the dps cloak?" Just a case of being undergeared due to using the catchup mechanics to get the gear he has rather than raids, which leaves a void in the stats you posess. Not itemized as he'd like it.
    Of course, I love the fact that getting the GID can net you so many stats despite the difference in ilvl (and poor itemization of so many fucking trinkets in the game)

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    Tanks rhandric and Merin, I suppose once I get my legendary meta and cloak on this guy I'll also seem less squishy. Is there a better site than using Icy veins and AMR for what gear I should be picking up? I've looked any a lot of the other tanks (I've talked to Towelliee about it a bit but never catch him besides during raid) and everyone is all over the place when it comes to gear. Even popping around here it's hard to tell if there is a set list of BiS items.

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