1. #5041
    Tbh, last time i checked, having offpieces with crit (helm,shoulders,chest) and ret legs (plus i think prot gloves) with double amp trinkets, and gemming for crit so that you stay above 50% haste, results in a net higher dps over 4p.

  2. #5042
    Not near your tier on tanking skills guys, but I see 4pc not really as a MUST. But it is a nice addition.

    I play on a F&F guild. Mainly normal modes, but also dabble in some heroics. 5 this tier, for example. Lets say im among the best players in the guild, but just cba finding a guild with better progress since I cant have needed commitment.

    That said, I mainly like to keep 4pc because that way I can get away with HF'ing my co-raiders. A fucking lot. Ppl derp quite a lot and I find that without my swift EF's they'd die. With 4pc I can do that and still be able to save that "free 5-stack-EF" to myself, just in case things get hairy. Im aware that if I just forgot about rest of the raid and spent my HoPo in shields would be much better for my survability... but I'm afraid that in that scenario deeps would die much more. Hell, I even spec on HA on Galakras HC to fully EF blanket raid. THAT gave us our first kill.

    Dunno, mybe I need to trust my healers a bit more.

  3. #5043
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazel View Post
    No, it really doesn't :P
    Idk, i tested it in simcraft, so no idea how accurate it is.

  4. #5044
    No way another 8-9% crit is worth less shield slams and like 3x less WoG glyph uptime esp seeing as without 4 set doing some of the higher veng stacking probably wouldnt work out well

  5. #5045
    Hmm, looking at simcraft, assuming perfect Glyph usage (so always refreshing when you get 3+ stacks) and being 3 ilvls higher, then 4p set pulls ahead with prism, but falls behind with ES (not exactly sure why).
    What i realized that the main source for the drastic difference in dmg that i was seeing in simcraft, was because default priority list only refreshed EF when it was <2 sec or at 5 stacks, so there was a lot less uptime.

  6. #5046
    Ya and with good rng you can have over 50% uptime on WoG glyph and near 100% uptime on shield(which obviously means a lot of dps due to so many more shields)

    I have had a few bosses where i had those uptimes granted they didn't even beat my best ranks just due to rng with crits during pot/wings high veng but ya

    Lol I had 54% uptime on WoG Glyph and 96.3% uptime on Shield of Righteous this week on Sha but i was 10k behind my #2 i have looks like I got shit Crit trinket uptime only 3 procs thats pretty bad.

  7. #5047
    Lol Nazgrim only one I cheesed so far. Galakras this week was insane all the dps wanted to rank so we left healing tides up and got 3 waves and 4 shamans at once... had to lust lol, but I already had #1 on that.

    I was gonna be at like 570k+ on Iron Jug this week but my hunter died so we were out a full dps and 5% crit and 10% ap for 70% of the fight

  8. #5048
    Got bored and actually tried to dps this week, #3 on H blackfuse :<, lost to 2 europeans :<
    (This is totally skill, and not jsut sniping all the dmg from the other tank)

  9. #5049
    yeah, I don't care about them either. I care about getting through the raid up to Garrosh in one evening. I don't want to be stuck on some fucking farm content because somebody wants to be able to do the fight wrong to get a number on some website.
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  10. #5050
    I agree with all those except your Garrosh. You did like 55k less dps than your rank suggests do to the way you do it over how most do, but ya unless its Prot, Sha of Pride(imo counts if they aren't aoeing adds), Iron Jug, Malk, Thok(if you arent the only person aoeing bats), Paragons(without scorp before you used it to get yours but either way everyone does basically), and Garrosh all count.

  11. #5051
    Hey guys, i just got the heroic Prismatic Prison of Pride ( Healing AMP trinket ) i remember reading something on here awhile back about Thok's+ healer AMP being our bis combo, is that correct? Here's my armory for ref http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...turos/advanced

  12. #5052
    It's very strong to say the least, since it has +- same benefit to us as Thok of equal ilvl.

  13. #5053
    Quote Originally Posted by Das View Post
    i remember reading something on here awhile back about Thok's+ healer AMP being our bis combo, is that correct?
    BiS? Don't think so, but it's one of the good trinket combos.
    All depends on your haste level, your stam needs and whether or not you want to go pure dps.
    In general I'd use Vial over the weaker stat% trinket, Spark of Zandalar still gives more haste and iirc the paragon trinket gives more dps (don't quote me on that one though)
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  14. #5054
    Thanks for clearing it up, so glad i got it before we go 25 man (lol having to gear up more healers)

  15. #5055
    BiS depends on build + preference.
    And most builds i'd say that prison > spark (you loose a little bit of health, but gain extra crit dmg +mastery) (with spark i need to gem for crit to stay < 50%

  16. #5056
    Hi, just a quick question so I don't have to dig through 254 pages. I'm gearing up a paladin alt. My main is 14/14H (though not a tank) so I anticipate doing some heroics with this toon eventually, and consider myself at a skill level commiserate to going for a haste build.

    My question is, since I'm stuck in LFR/flex for the moment: if I want haste gear, should I be loot specialized to ret, and then switch to prot for bosses which drop weapons/shields/trinkets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Hi, just a quick question so I don't have to dig through 254 pages. I'm gearing up a paladin alt. My main is 14/14H (though not a tank) so I anticipate doing some heroics with this toon eventually, and consider myself at a skill level commiserate to going for a haste build.

    My question is, since I'm stuck in LFR/flex for the moment: if I want haste gear, should I be loot specialized to ret, and then switch to prot for bosses which drop weapons/shields/trinkets?
    You should anyway really. But it's a boss-to-boss basis of which upgrade is bigger and/or would the other potential items I get be vendor-items or possible side/upgrades too.

  18. #5058
    Loot spec to protection for Nazgrim, Malkorok and Siegecrafter, pretty much everything else you can set it to retribution.
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  19. #5059
    I'd stay ret on SC until i get the ring, since i can also get a nice wep off malk/klaxxi (granted can't coin roll it on malk i think)

  20. #5060
    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    I'd stay ret on SC until i get the ring, since i can also get a nice wep off malk/klaxxi (granted can't coin roll it on malk i think)
    For me it'd depend on the rest of the raid team as well, coin for whatever you have more competition on.

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