1. #5141
    Thanks for all the advice we just went with a 2 tank setup and got him down in about 45 mins. Now onto Siege which based on the last 90 mins of pulls, I want to go back to Thok because it seemed super easy by comparison.

  2. #5142
    Quote Originally Posted by zanzbar View Post
    Thanks for all the advice we just went with a 2 tank setup and got him down in about 45 mins. Now onto Siege which based on the last 90 mins of pulls, I want to go back to Thok because it seemed super easy by comparison.
    It's actually a very simple, scripted fight; it's just a matter of getting people to do their individual jobs. In 10M that's not so bad. As a tank it gets dull, fast, but every pull you do find a way to improve on what you're doing. I liked it much better when we had an OS warrior tanking the boss and I was doing belts as Ret (until the warrior couldn't stay alive deeper in the fight).

  3. #5143
    Quote Originally Posted by Kitmajere View Post
    Confused @ this. Paragon 1 tanked it for the WF 10H kill. Sejta went cat, Jhazrun brought his shaman and they three healed w/ shaman-MWer-tree.
    But maybe you're just referring to your gear which was very bad.

    Anyways, no big deal now, sry for being the correction police, just wanted to note that it was always 1 tankable.
    Yip, i think when they 1 tanked it they were 560+
    I know that when we got to thok i was 550.8 or something like this, and 1 tanking was extremely painful when we did try it (granted FF was like 5 ilvls below me)

  4. #5144
    Quote Originally Posted by Kitmajere View Post
    Confused @ this. Paragon 1 tanked it for the WF 10H kill. Sejta went cat, Jhazrun brought his shaman and they three healed w/ shaman-MWer-tree.
    But maybe you're just referring to your gear which was very bad.

    Anyways, no big deal now, sry for being the correction police, just wanted to note that it was always 1 tankable.
    Both referring to our tanks gear levels, but also that Paragon had a lot higher gear levels then we had. Paragon had 3 higher item levels than us together with them being horde which basically trivialised the entire fight due to troll racials. Being alliance on that fight was really a huge setback and the differece between a horde and alliance guild at those item levels was really really noticeabe.

    If you check at
    http://www.wowprogress.com/encounter...y-heroic-10man

    You will notice that almost every guild that killed it were horde guilds in the start (most hardcore guilds play horde).
    The first alliance guilds were at 560 item level when they killed it and the horde guilds were at 556. We had 553 as an alliance guild. The fight was basically significantly harder for us.

    If we would have used 1 tank we would not have beaten the enrage timer. We needed two tanks to be able to keep us in the phases longer and more reliable to have any chance at the enrage. To be able to stay in each phase even a few seconds longer yields you more dps than any extra dps would.



    Quote Originally Posted by trystero View Post
    Not to speak for him but FF did have a very low ilvl on H Siege progression, something like 545 on SC.
    Well me personally had 543, but overall my guilds item level was also insanely low at that time. I was not the only reroll or replacement. Overall our performance in SoO was held back a lot by that. At Thok we had the lowest item level by far in the world. I believe we had 6 or 7 lower item level than any other alliance guild and 3 lower item level than any other horde guild, +-1.

    We were working uphill at that time. By the time we reached Garrosh we had "caught" up since we had the same item level as Paragon had then and managed to work our way up to 568 before killing it.



    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    Yip, i think when they 1 tanked it they were 560+
    I know that when we got to thok i was 550.8 or something like this, and 1 tanking was extremely painful when we did try it (granted FF was like 5 ilvls below me)
    7 below you haha

    But yeah, the main difference is that they were horde. Having an entire raid of troll dpsers made all the difference in the world on that fight. It put a lower requirement on them to stay in the phases and that of course means overall lower survival requirements. Also their tanks had more gear than our tanks.


    Quote Originally Posted by zanzbar View Post
    Thanks for all the advice we just went with a 2 tank setup and got him down in about 45 mins. Now onto Siege which based on the last 90 mins of pulls, I want to go back to Thok because it seemed super easy by comparison.
    Oh Siegecrafter.

    You should find different 10 hour song remixes on youtube and listen to them or an entire nights progression. It is a sure way to go mentally insane.
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    I am so tired of seeing terrible people, being admired, for being terrible people.

  5. #5145
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    Oh Siegecrafter.

    You should find different 10 hour song remixes on youtube and listen to them or an entire nights progression. It is a sure way to go mentally insane.
    I think i did that on every single boss.
    The only reason why i even stayed in mumble after some point is to hear when my co-tank wanted to get the sac.

    And RIP goes my genius plan for heroic Primo :<, need to test it out, but i think it won't be able to use my cheeze strat :*(

  6. #5146
    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    I think i did that on every single boss.
    The only reason why i even stayed in mumble after some point is to hear when my co-tank wanted to get the sac.

    And RIP goes my genius plan for heroic Primo :<, need to test it out, but i think it won't be able to use my cheeze strat :*(
    There is always a way to cheese!
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    I am so tired of seeing terrible people, being admired, for being terrible people.

  7. #5147
    Still holding #1 Primordius normal which was due to a fail pull with all the blobs still up ~
    Unlimited vengeance from adds good times /:
    Armories:
    Pally: Chiaki
    Dk: Telare
    Warrior: Irlida

  8. #5148
    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo View Post
    Still holding #1 Primordius normal which was due to a fail pull with all the blobs still up ~
    Unlimited vengeance from adds good times /:
    For a warrior mb :P beat ya by like 200k :P (granted i could've done 100k+ more, if i started aoeing somewhere towards the end).

    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    There is always a way to cheese!
    Well, my current strat would make it ~ same difficulty as normal if it worked.

  9. #5149
    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    For a warrior mb :P beat ya by like 200k :P (granted i could've done 100k+ more, if i started aoeing somewhere towards the end).
    Yeah pre patch warrior dps was not so great :O
    Armories:
    Pally: Chiaki
    Dk: Telare
    Warrior: Irlida

  10. #5150
    This guide desperately needs an update, lol. So many things way off in here.
    Last edited by Dudeness; 2014-04-29 at 10:07 AM.

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    If people just tell me what they want amended then it can be done very quickly it's not a problem. I'm no longer active in the game due to university but still check fairly regularly. Even just looking it at myself there's a few revisions I want to make but I would hardly say "so many things" especially looking at various armories.
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    2 things i would change, is add glyph of WoG to the list, and in raiding talent selection, change it from SS to EF.

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    Yeah both of those are pretty obvious, thought it said EF over SS anyway to be honest it's something even I used when I returned briefly before and around christmas. Will make a note of it and tomorrow after Chelsea vs Atletico I'll make a round of edits from everything people have said, either over my tears of happiness or sadness. Will make a note about the legendary cloak too, I put the Niuzao one for when we had the argument about it for progress but now progress is a long time finished I'll add about Xuen.
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    6.5m EF, new personal record (in a crit build)

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    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    6.5m EF, new personal record (in a crit build)
    Just tied you too,

    23:10:03.503 Trystero Eternal Flame Trystero +157170 (O: 6409758)

    Hit that when tanking 25h Naz thru enrage, managed to do it for 20s but then my disc priest was randomly out of range (?) and couldn't PS me.

  16. #5156
    Quote Originally Posted by trystero View Post
    Just tied you too,

    23:10:03.503 Trystero Eternal Flame Trystero +157170 (O: 6409758)

    Hit that when tanking 25h Naz thru enrage, managed to do it for 20s but then my disc priest was randomly out of range (?) and couldn't PS me.
    Solo soaked bloodrage on 10 man, when i noticed that i had 11+ stacks.

  17. #5157
    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    Solo soaked bloodrage on 10 man, when i noticed that i had 11+ stacks.
    The great thing is that it still hits for less than the 25 man zero stacks version

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    Ok I updated things that stood out, was in a bit of a rush but I'll do another pass later.

    Seems scary to think I remember writing this whilst I was hiding from the sun during lazy afternoons when I went to Italy, I was staying on the side of a small mountain/large hill on the edge of Lago Trasimeno near Perugia. This was the summer before I began university when I'd finished school and college. I am now just about to sit the exams for the end of my second year. I mean, I'm 21 in December... I remember raiding when I was like 13.
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    I dont care if they [gays] are allowed to donate [blood], but I think we should have an option to refuse gay blood if we need to receive blood.

  19. #5159
    Curious, has anyone done any research and/or have any data on going 2x amp trinket (purified bindings+thoks)?

  20. #5160
    Personally I don't see how anything but thoks + Skeer / Cleave / Vial would win. Mainly because Cleave wins on 3+ target fights esp if you are solo tanking like protectors and galakras and spoils(if you pull enough)

    Skeers for single target... with decent procs like 20% uptime crit chance is fucking stupid op for paladin since we basically have 0 and attack so fast. Having more crit dmg from another amp doesn't do much when you don't really crit. Haste cap is already gotten from gear without any haste trinkets besides thok.

    And vial for fights to have more CDs and Wings/Ha line up on things like garrosh and malk and thok.

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