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    The boss gets a buff put on himself when his next attack is a thrash. yes i raid with no addons (except recount and atlasloot ftw!)
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    Have to ask, is http://www.wowhead.com/item=87072/le...-final-orders# considered BiS in 10-man specifically? I'm not sure if the strength to parry conversion is 1:1 or not, but it seems it would be in that case. No?

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    The reason it's BiS in 10-man is because of the haste, not the strength/parry, as haste is more valuable in 10-man vs 25-man. I'm fairly sure that the strength to parry conversion doesn't change depending on raid size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monikasun88 View Post
    The reason it's BiS in 10-man is because of the haste, not the strength/parry, as haste is more valuable in 10-man vs 25-man. I'm fairly sure that the strength to parry conversion doesn't change depending on raid size.
    Thanks, yeah i'm aware but i wanted to confirm the strength proc actually had some defensive value to it aswell. Thanks.

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    Strength to parry isn't quite 1:1, but you get roughly 93% as much parry from strength as from parry rating, so it's pretty close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivin View Post
    Strength to parry isn't quite 1:1, but you get roughly 93% as much parry from strength as from parry rating, so it's pretty close.
    With Kings it is closer to 97%
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    For Sha Of Fear Heroic you actually want haste, given you have a mastery use trinket (Shado-Pan reputation or world drop) since you can use it for all of the Dread Trashes. You cannot die even with a haste build if you have some kind of small cooldown for every Dread Trash (-20% from DP for example).

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    Can't someone ask some interesting question or find out something groundbreaking that noone thought about before. The questions lately have been so boring. Need something to think about paladins again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    Can't someone ask some interesting question or find out something groundbreaking that noone thought about before.
    A girl I really really fancy (I might have slept with her) and I know she feels the same way. However, because we're 1st year uni students and so much random shit happens, we don't want to get into a relationship but we want all the perks but equally the fidelity seems to be as important. Basically the only thing making it not a relationship is I don't have to take her to dinner.

    Unfortunately there is this other girl we shall refer to as "egg roll" we dubbed her whilst being under the influence of something, because she has both the personality and the fat content of one (no idea what an egg roll is). Anyway, I've told eggroll about the other girl but she doesn't seem to get the message, and she keeps trying to persuade me to go over and see her, and to cut it short she basically tonight told me I was going to get various parts of me wet if I went to see her. I didn't go but she just won't understand it.

    Due to exams at the moment, me and the girl I like aren't talking as much as we were before but just before they began we did so that's not dying at all, but it seems eggroll has cottoned onto this and seems to be taking advantage but in reality she has no chance because that would be immoral of me, plus I'm not interested.

    Basically my idea is that should I continue to treat both well, I'll end up with a possible girlfriend and a close friend should I not be a dick about it. My question is, how much chocolate do I need to buy each of them? There's your tl;dr
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    Well, my recent experience is kinda bad so I might be a bit negative. So I would say, just fuck it all. Do whatever comes natural, don't think about it. Whatever happens happen. Whatever you do, do not fall in love. That is the worst thing you can do.

    You seem to be in a similar spot like I was a few months ago. Short story, I fell for the non-eggroll, didn't work out, things went piss, we are now like best friends with benefits, even living together lol, things couldn't be better.
    Guess my point is feelings mess everything up, so don't have them. Just enjoy yourself.

    If you are not interested in egg-roll at all, tell her that. Don't keep her on the hook, that is just mean. You can break it nicely like, tell her you just see her as a friend and don't want to mess up your friendship or whatever. Though be straigth.

    Damn wrote so much randomness now.
    Just use hand of reckoning on the girl you fancy, but don't let your mitigation and cds fall down and leave yourself vurnurable. Try to kite the egg roll so she resets, but don't dps her, she can explode then.

    Lol, best drunk wow-rl symbology thing I ever done. Gonna underline that!


    On a side note question: Say there is this girl, she used to have a crush on you like 4-5 years ago and you kinda denied her then. You haven't seen her since then basically (until recently). Is it okay to get involved with her even if she has a (long distance) boyfriend?
    Or is that too douchebaggy?
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    Only if you know that it's not going to make your home situation difficult and that it's not going to fuck her up mentally. Let her make the first move. But then I'm 19 and male, to pretend I know anything about women is laughable. Was chatting to one of the girls who graduates this year and she says she's 23 and female and doesn't understand them, so what hope do we have?
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    Yeah, probably shouldn't rename the thread to MerinPallys Female Guide
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    It would be a compilation of horrendous advice and a den of misogyny when certain people found it and corrupted it.
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    Haha. I actually live with another female ( Another as in not the one I wrote earlier ) and she hates girls. She says she never understands them, that girls are just boring, shallow and liars. Basically 99% of her friends are dudes. She got like 2 female friends.

    Basically, girls don't understand girls, and guys CERTAINLY dont understand girls.

    I used to try to understand them, but just gave up. The most true statement is "Girls just wanna have fun".
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    Basically all I've learnt in my short time at uni so far which is the first time you learn anything meaningful (dubious even then) is don't be too much of a dickhead like you would be to the lads but don't tone it down and protect from all harm, they're not looking for a white knight. Such as earlier when hacking someones Twitter we did the standard #MyLittlePony and edited everything, some weird things here and there - we originally made her follow the Al-Shabab militant group but then changed our minds as a step too far, and lo and behold so it was and it all worked out.
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  16. #836
    Any paladin discussion? Got so many things I would actually love to debate, but feels like the discussion on this board has been kinda bad.
    I mean, I got my own opinion on certain stuff. So I would love to hear other people who have a different opinion how they reason and what their logics are.

    Like T1 talents, T5 talents, prot4p/ret4p/off set for tanking, trinkets, stamina, etc.
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  17. #837
    Let's go Firefly, discussion/reasoning time.

    My own personal build values haste > everything (except hit/exp hardcaps of course), my reasoning behind this is that I don't need more stamina since I've never been in a position where I just simply couldn't survive an encounter because I didn't have enough health. I don't value strength highly either for it's dps value because it doesn't scale as well with vengeance whereas haste does.

    I've only just started mucking around with LAoTL after reading your post about T1 movement choices (previously using PoJ for most fights).

    Concerning gear I'm using off-pieces instead of prot or ret 4p as I don't believe that the set bonuses are worth the haste loss. For trinkets I like static haste more than proc haste so I'm using Dragonling trinket (exp, haste, mastery) and Lei Shen's.

    PS. in a post recently you said you had around 30% haste is that unbuffed? if so you're uncannily close to me in terms of gear level etc.

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    Well, I am not raiding seriously anymore, so my gear is abit behind. Only like 490 ish average. However since I am not raiding seriously I have gone for hit>haste>expertise

    Reason found here: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ap-exp-with-SW

    If I was raiding seriously I would probably have gone for the standard but I feel like going haste or exp hard cap really doesn't matter.
    Currently 31.2% haste

    I have about the same feeling about stamina. I think that the stamina on the gear is enough, I never had any issues with death. So I am running with haste+armor elixir, fully haste gemmed etc. While I value strength, I value haste alot more. I am for example using the healing shield from Gara'Jal for tanking, as I rather have the haste than the strength. My personal value on parry and dodge is 0.
    Basically, you got to think, what happens when I get a dodge or parry? Well, I do not lose any life, great. The thing is, my healers were already sending heals my way + dots. So the reality is that dodge and parry is very unreliable, and when it actually helps you, the healers are just going to overheal you. So it doesnt really give anything

    I use LAotL just because it feels the most all-round. If I was pushing content with a serious guild, I think I would be using Speed of Light / LAotL like 50/50. As I wrote in the thread
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...nd-discussions
    Which fights I think which talent is strong on.

    You are using same trinkets as me. Quite frankly, I think any paladin not using Ghost Iron Dragonling is doing it wrong. It is the best trinket available.
    Imo Ghost Iron Dragonling + Lei Shin = best trinkets + having stamina trinkets handy if needed.
    The GID trinket is indirectly 1800 haste passive. While the trinket itself is only 600 haste, having 600 hit and 600 expertise lets you reforge those 1200 secondary stats from the hit/exp cap into haste instead. So basically you could look at the trinket as 1800 haste and not 600/600/600.

    I am also going for off-set pieces however I am also going for the ret 4p, as I value SW very high as Tier 5 talent, so the set bonus is actually extremely nice if you are using SW. I feel like on most fights SW is really the strongest T5 talent. I think the Prot 4p is not worth the terrible stats on the gear

    Feel like you and I are a bit in the same mind set except for maybe choice of T5 talent. So not so much to discuss actually, more just verify eachothers thoughts

    Edit: Another question for you, do you also feel like the actual tanking in this tier is very simple. I do not have to put so much thought down into my CD usage as I did in Cata I feel like. It feels like the biggest challenge atm is pushing high dps numbers, not surviving a fight.

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    Would be interesting to hear someone that have a really different mind set and why they chose their paths.
    Stuff like.

    Using double stamina trinket in 10 man
    Full stamina gemmed in 10 man
    PoJ ( Someone using it because they actually think it is better, not because everyone else is )
    Someone using 4p prot
    Would also like to hear why people are so negative towards SW. I understand people liking HA, but SW should not be overlooked so fast.
    Peoples thought on int/agi gear. Is it taboo?

    I am one of those guys that can argue pretty well.
    I could probably make arguments why to use stam or haste, 4p ret/prot or off set, which talents etc, I could argue for each side and probably convince alot of people I am right. However, I often argue with myself and reason and my own gearing strategy is the one I found to be superior. The thing is, take tier 1 talents.
    I can make alot of argument for PoJ, even so I could make it look better than the others, however, each of those arguments, I can also counter. I can't do the same with LAotL and Speed of Light because both of them provides things that PoJ does not and is really superior.

    Edit: Another question, Which tank do you prefer to be paired with?
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  19. #839
    Jesus, that SW build bumps haste up abit, I'm sitting at 31.07% haste unbuffed at 499 ilvl with hit/exp harcaps. I run haste/armour elixir as well, I also use the +200 haste food (cheap raid food, gogo tangy yogurt)

    I tried your exp softcap with SW build awhile ago, not sure it's to my playstyle or I'm just not used to it, i could never remember that the rotation turned into the ret burst prio style and forgot to weave my judge properly. Might give it another test for farm content and see how i feel, although reforging to the exp softcap only nets me about 400 haste, but a giant increase to mastery. (although i suppose i could change a few gems around to pure haste again)

    Q: for GID trinket, do you still find that the 600 hit is usefull? I'm close to full BiS offset be it normal or heroic pieces and find that most times i have too much hit, it's why i've replaced the hit socket for a mastery one.

    I agree with your reasoning for ret 4p coupled with SW, it is a strong CD and a nice dps boost, i just don't feel that the 2-4% haste loss is worth it. Still might end up giving it a go for variety.

    I might have to explore my T5 talent choices a bit, I do like the burst AW + HA and it's has nice coverage for melee fights (gara'jal, will, wind lord, empress, sha)

    Yes i feel like the tanking in this tier is quite simple, the only fights I've ever had to worry about CD usage was our first week of H will and H wind lord, H will was just weaving a CD after every dance and H wind lord just made me use my CD's smartly as solo tanking all 6 adds + wind lord can get you globalled at times. I've been more focused on pushing numbers all tier, apart from the fact that i find the haste playstyle incredibly fun to play (we're like an omnipotent tank/dps/healer for high vengeance fights), i also felt the need to push more numbers as i found dps in my raid group lacking, specially while pushing heroic content.

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    Well my haste values was without food and elixir. Also, its not like I am aiming for soft cap. All expertise I can get, I take. I just take haste > exp. Not like I go to the soft cap then avoid it.

    GID: Well depends on your gear ofc, but reforging, that is what it is for. In my gear though, if I reforged everything AWAY from hit, I would reach 4.5% hit, so still got some play room. If you take in a 600 socket, there is probably somewhere you can change that hit into either exp and haste ( and in turn change that exp into haste ).


    And yeah, I am myself using the off-set, though probably gonna get the ret 4p for the variety.
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