1. #1721
    I personally use UbS for Horridon, but I haven't gotten to heroic yet. Having said that, you might be better off keeping UbS for yourself, and having the others swap over to Clemency. Just so that you can have DP up more often. If you choose to go with Clemency, you can HoP yourself more often instead of just bubble.

    I don't recall if you can just HoP someone before Triple Puncture goes off, have them taunt the boss so he stays on the tank, and then click HoP off after Puncture. Would require some considerable timing to pull off, but would be a way to mitigate one of the TP's and remove any stacks on said tank.



  2. #1722
    Quote Originally Posted by promdate View Post
    I personally use UbS for Horridon, but I haven't gotten to heroic yet. Having said that, you might be better off keeping UbS for yourself, and having the others swap over to Clemency. Just so that you can have DP up more often. If you choose to go with Clemency, you can HoP yourself more often instead of just bubble.
    Yeah that's what I did on normal and have done on all our heroic attempts so far. Will probably only go Clemancy if I find we do actually need that one extra HoSac (but with the potential to have 6 in the raid not including me, it might not be entirely necessary).

    Quote Originally Posted by promdate View Post
    I don't recall if you can just HoP someone before Triple Puncture goes off, have them taunt the boss so he stays on the tank, and then click HoP off after Puncture. Would require some considerable timing to pull off, but would be a way to mitigate one of the TP's and remove any stacks on said tank.
    haven't tried this.

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  3. #1723
    You would need to remove more than one Triple Puncture to reset the debuff, it has something like a 2 minute duration and TP comes every ~30 seconds.
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  4. #1724
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    You would need to remove more than one Triple Puncture to reset the debuff, it has something like a 2 minute duration and TP comes every ~30 seconds.
    Between removing the stack with HoP and tank the debuff shouldn't really be a problem anyway.
    What he's talking about is removing a triple puncture out of the cycle by having a non tank eat it , since having less 1m combo spikes to worry about may help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    Yeah, I'm kinda wishing tank damage wasn't quite so high on 25 man :/

    But when you have fire damage ramping up like this every ~15 seconds ...

    [20:41:12.030] Massive Anima Golem Explosive Slam Fetzie 120362
    [20:41:27.751] Massive Anima Golem Explosive Slam Fetzie 177412 (A: 47254)
    [20:41:43.493] Massive Anima Golem Explosive Slam Fetzie 225011 (A: 72983)
    [20:41:59.205] Massive Anima Golem Explosive Slam Fetzie 299420 (A: 80027)
    [20:42:14.903] Massive Anima Golem Explosive Slam Fetzie 336967 (A: 98938)
    [20:42:30.645] Massive Anima Golem Explosive Slam Fetzie 244442 (A: 289169)
    [20:42:46.353] Massive Anima Golem Explosive Slam Fetzie 438199 (A: 144826)
    [20:42:56.045] Massive Anima Golem Explosive Slam Fetzie 679294

    Gearing for haste isn't really an option :<
    just let a warrior tank the two massive golems. He can do some shenanigans with debuff teleport+jump+intervene+charge to let the stacks fall off. Or just 3-tank it with 2 tanks alternating on tanking the massive ones.

  6. #1726
    How in the world is Alabaster Shield worthless?

  7. #1727
    Quote Originally Posted by Master Guns View Post
    How in the world is Alabaster Shield worthless?
    Who said it was?
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  8. #1728
    Quote Originally Posted by Master Guns View Post
    How in the world is Alabaster Shield worthless?
    Alabaster Shield is considerably better on some fights than others.

    edit: On a single mob fight, Glyph of Focused Shield just edges out Alabaster shield for dps. Once you add more mobs, Alabaster shield becomes significantly better.
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  9. #1729
    A bit off-topic. But is merin dead?
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  10. #1730
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    A bit off-topic. But is merin dead?
    Seems hes been visiting adult websites and blaming it on MMO-C according to his post history, it'll also be end of year stuff @ Uni so he'll be having to actually show up to lectures and do work occasionally

    Holy Banana, Hammers, Shocking etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xs View Post
    Seems hes been visiting adult websites and blaming it on MMO-C according to his post history, it'll also be end of year stuff @ Uni so he'll be having to actually show up to lectures and do work occasionally
    Or he's drunk. ON JUSTICE!

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    Finally cleared 12/12 last night.

    Does any of you guys play along a Monk tank?

    Our monk tank does an insane amount of DPS. When it comes to single target and low-vengeance situations I just don't have a shot at competing with him for DPS.

    Anyone else experiencing this?

    We ended the fight with me doing like 35 Mill damge and he was on 50 Mill.


  13. #1733
    Quote Originally Posted by Grimord View Post
    Finally cleared 12/12 last night.

    Does any of you guys play along a Monk tank?

    Our monk tank does an insane amount of DPS. When it comes to single target and low-vengeance situations I just don't have a shot at competing with him for DPS.

    Anyone else experiencing this?

    We ended the fight with me doing like 35 Mill damge and he was on 50 Mill.
    My co-tank is a BrM. 4/13 HC atm, and I'm beating him on a lot of fights. He's no slouch either, we've both ranked #1 on fights.

    However, this is on heroic, which is innately higher vengeance. On things like trash or normal modes, Keg Smash/Dizzying Haze is retard-strong threat, which snags all aggro, which gives more vengeance, which gives more threat...continue ad nauseum.

    On boss fights, I'm usually doing more of/all of the main tanking, while he does more of the switch/add duties. This allows me to get high veng, which we scale well with for both DPS and HPS. Likewise, as you noted, they do high dmg without much veng, so no loss for him there. Additionally, it allows him to pick up adds or whatever, as he's more mobile and has better aoe threat.

    All about playing to your strengths and the strengths of your group.

    But yeah, forget about threat vs. a monk on trash. Go AFK and get a beer or something.
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    Where our dmg really differs a lot, so far, has been on Iron Qon and Lei Shen where he does way more damage. In fights like Horridon I usually come above but when it's just pure single target I find it close to impossible to compete. Though, given, I don't have that great a gear as I skip every piece that's better for any DPS or Healer in the raid so I don't have as much Haste as I should, though my ilvl is good.


  15. #1735
    Why are you not 1-tanking Iron Qon? o.O

    Not sure what to say on Lei Shen, as there are so many diff strats/orders that can adjust vengeance levels etc. You should tank him first/often, and let the monk basically offtank, to max overall dps/healing. In phase 2, you can just hold him the entire time, as you will not die to the fusion slash debuff (in 10m normal).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimord View Post
    Finally cleared 12/12 last night.

    Does any of you guys play along a Monk tank?

    Our monk tank does an insane amount of DPS. When it comes to single target and low-vengeance situations I just don't have a shot at competing with him for DPS.

    Anyone else experiencing this?
    I play a BrM, and my co-tank is a prot paladin (we switched places - he used to be BrM and I was the prot. lul) and this is not uncommon at all. However, prot paladins can shine on hard hitting single targets too (many stacks of Triple Puncture for example), and on fights like that we end up close in damage done. Monks just reach the "high dps" platform faster than prot paladins.

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  17. #1737
    Quote Originally Posted by Fhi View Post
    Monks just reach the "high dps" platform faster than prot paladins.
    Exactly this. Play through raidbots and check the damage done by prot paladins / brms at different percentiles and this is quite easy to notice.
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  18. #1738
    Anyone want to take a look at my armory and help me fix up my gemming? I think I can squeeze out some more Haste if I change switch around some gemming/reforging.

    I would be eternally grateful!

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  19. #1739
    Anyone pros can give an advice on which ring I should go for?

    My armory link:
    Jyuri

    The two rings I'm considering to replace Dominator's Circle:
    Loop of the Shado-Pan Assault
    Band of the Shado-Pan Assault

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance!
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  20. #1740
    Actually, you might be better off replacing the 502 ring first. More haste and so on.

    I got the haste/crit ring from the shado pan assault.

    In other news, a couple of items (Tier shoulders and Oondasta haste/exp gloves) have got me about 2k haste for the lowly price of 4k health. Back up to 19%, from 12.5ish.
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