1. #1741
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    Actually, you might be better off replacing the 502 ring first. More haste and so on.

    I got the haste/crit ring from the shado pan assault.
    Yes, I was thinking of that as well, but after thinking through, because of the Critical Strike, wouldn't be wasted stats? I mean, Dodge would at least be of a better stat than Critical Strike, wouldn't it? But then again, yes, the Haste is tempting... >.<"

  2. #1742
    It is only 400 crit rating, after all. If the stats were the other way round though (400 haste, 650 crit) I wouldn't have bothered buying it.

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  3. #1743
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    It is only 400 crit rating, after all. If the stats were the other way round though (400 haste, 650 crit) I wouldn't have bothered buying it.

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...etzie/advanced
    Yea, I reasoned with myself on that as well. Haha! But somehow the current state of Grand Crusader is wavering me towards having that little bit more of Dodge and Parry instead of having that amount of Critical Strike... -_-"

    And crap... I've been trying my luck on the ring from Blade Lord and none dropped, not even with coins... Shrugs... =(
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  4. #1744
    I have a question of a more general plane.
    Isn't reforging out of hit and expertise bad? They take more of the item budget for each point, don't they? So aren't we losing, by reforging expertise>haste, than for example parry>haste?

  5. #1745
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    It is only 400 crit rating, after all. If the stats were the other way round though (400 haste, 650 crit) I wouldn't have bothered buying it.

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...etzie/advanced
    I've gone through a reforging calculation of the rings configuration and the results as follows:

    Config #1
    Loop of the Shado-Pan Assault & Band of Bursting Novas:
    Crit: 0
    Dodge: 1583
    Exp: 5100
    Haste: 10487
    Hit: 2550
    Mastery: 2954
    Parry: 1673

    Config #2
    Band of the Shado-Pan Assault & Band of Bursting Novas:
    Crit: 281
    Dodge: 1061
    Exp: 5100
    Haste: 10662
    Hit: 2550
    Mastery: 2997
    Parry: 1673

    Config #3
    Dominator's Circle & Band of the Shado-Pan Assault
    Crit: 534
    Dodge: 993
    Exp: 5100
    Haste: 10631
    Hit: 2550
    Mastery: 2992
    Parry: 1487

    Seems like configuration 3 is a loss in all stats except Critical Strike, guess I'll be sticking to configuration 2. Hmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zloitima View Post
    I have a question of a more general plane.
    Isn't reforging out of hit and expertise bad? They take more of the item budget for each point, don't they? So aren't we losing, by reforging expertise>haste, than for example parry>haste?
    It shouldn't be a "loss" if you are able to reforge to perfect expertise and hit rating thus reducing the amount of "wasted" stats...
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  6. #1746
    Quote Originally Posted by zloitima View Post
    I have a question of a more general plane.
    Isn't reforging out of hit and expertise bad? They take more of the item budget for each point, don't they? So aren't we losing, by reforging expertise>haste, than for example parry>haste?
    That would require you having Parry, more of a waste in itself than the reforge would ever be :3
    Also on a more serious note, in a lot of cases its just not possible to get a better gear set-up than the one that has 14% hit from gear or something ridiculous, very much the case if you have terrible RNG

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    Quote Originally Posted by zloitima View Post
    I have a question of a more general plane.
    Isn't reforging out of hit and expertise bad? They take more of the item budget for each point, don't they? So aren't we losing, by reforging expertise>haste, than for example parry>haste?
    Can you clarify what you mean by this? Have a horrible feeling I may have misunderstood something about stat budgets on pieces.
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  8. #1748
    Quote Originally Posted by rawhammer View Post
    Can you clarify what you mean by this? Have a horrible feeling I may have misunderstood something about stat budgets on pieces.
    I think he's referring to the fact that getting 1% of hit or expertise takes more rating than getting 1% of haste or mastery. But overall, the total secondary stat budget is balanced based on item level. If a piece (like the random-stat bracers) has 900 of X stat, it will be 900 of haste, or expertise, or dodge depending on what it rolls.

    At any rate, as others have said, you're far better off taking a Haste/Crit piece and reforging Crit-> Mastery/accuracy than taking a Dodge/Mastery piece and reforging Dodge -> Haste. You'll end up with more haste, and more accuracy at the cost of some dodge. Obviously, we have to work with what drops (I just couldn't pass up the 535 Dodge/Parry helmet ) so this isn't always an option, but for valor items you should DEF grab the "dps" ring over the "tank" one for tank purposes.

    Crit is NOT useless, and is on par with D/P for "priority" in gearing (in a 10m N/HC setting at least). Crit won't add to survival (unless you count crit-WOGs) or mitigation, but will have a near linear increase on damage output, which indirectly reduces damage taken by shortening the fight. D/P add minimally to survival, but are subject to DR, and can/do yield primarily overheal in a stable situation. They CAN save the day with a lucky string of avoidance at low health, but you'd be just that: LUCKY. Don't rely on them. And the factor of their increase on DPS via GCAS proc's is about equal to the factor of Crit's value to survival via crit-WOG.

    TL;DR: Attain hit cap and expertise hard or soft cap (depending on preference/talents). Then, go for Haste/Mast > Haste/Accuracy > Mast/Accuracy > Haste/Crit> Mast/Crit> Mast/Avoid > Avoid/Accuracy > Double Avoid as a guideline.
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  9. #1749
    I would rate hit/expertise quite highly on that list.
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  10. #1750
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    I would rate hit/expertise quite highly on that list.
    I suppose I should have clarified that the TL;DR list is from the standpoint of already being hit/exp capped. Good catch, will amend.
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  11. #1751
    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    I suppose I should have clarified that the TL;DR list is from the standpoint of already being hit/exp capped. Good catch, will amend.
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  12. #1752
    Quote Originally Posted by Zerdus View Post
    Anyone want to take a look at my armory and help me fix up my gemming? I think I can squeeze out some more Haste if I change switch around some gemming/reforging.

    I would be eternally grateful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerdus View Post


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    Nothing particularly wrong jumped out, although your boot gemming is not consistent with the rest. Probably can squeeze out a bit more with full haste ignoring the crap bonus.

    Trinkets are a bit meh. Especially the dodge one. Hopefully you are still within the refund period.

    I'm not a big fan of colossus enchant, but I haven't really looked at the math behind them.

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  14. #1754
    Quote Originally Posted by Zerdus View Post


    /10chars
    Not much to comment really except way to much dodge/parry gear, try to get rid of some of those.
    What I would do if it was my char, is

    320 haste gem in boots
    Change weapon enchant to windsong/dancing steel
    Change shield enchant to mastery
    Haste enchant on boots
    Change that steadfast dodge trinket with a ghost iron dragonling.
    Place a ticket to get the expertise trinket instead of the mastery/dodge one, praying that blizzard answers.
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  15. #1755
    Starting to get some of the good 522s now (sucks to spend DKP twice on a slot, but there you go). 522/528 avoidance gear is still better than 496 stuff.

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    (yes, I know the weapon enchant sucks, but I'm too miserly to spend the money on a nice one when there are 4-5 bosses that drop a 522 weapon with sockets and we kill all of them every week)
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  16. #1756
    Windsong is not the expensive. Haven't checked price lately on ah, but used to be like 200g on my server.
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  17. #1757
    Currently gearing my second spec prot. Do i just get the dps gear for valor when i go for the haste build?

  18. #1758
    Pretty much yes. Depends on the pieces though. You cant say Ret gear always > Prot gear. But in most cases, it will be, assuming it is the same item level. Though in some cases the prot gear will be better. Heck, in same cases the agility/intellect gear will be better.

    Ret gear > other gear is fair assumption, because it is true most of the time, but not always.
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  19. #1759
    Okay thanks, dps trinket also or are tanking trinkets needed for lfr/occasional msv/hof/toes tanking? I figured taking the Shado-Pan Assault dps trinket for the massive expertise might be really good.

  20. #1760
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    Heck, in same cases the agility/intellect gear will be better.
    *as long as the agility pieces aren't armour, as you would lose the Plate Spec Stamina bonus.
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