1. #1821
    Still gearing my tanking offspec.
    I know it's kind of a dick move but i thought about queueing as dps to get the haste items from T14 LFR since none of the tanking pieces have haste on them. I already have an Elegion normal and Steelskin normal so no need for tanking weapons. I thought since it's LFR nobody might notice it anyway but i'm kind of fighting with myself about doing this. :/

  2. #1822
    Quote Originally Posted by Haxx0rcist View Post
    Still gearing my tanking offspec.
    I know it's kind of a dick move but i thought about queueing as dps to get the haste items from T14 LFR since none of the tanking pieces have haste on them. I already have an Elegion normal and Steelskin normal so no need for tanking weapons. I thought since it's LFR nobody might notice it anyway but i'm kind of fighting with myself about doing this. :/
    It's not a dick move, because you can't accomplish this dickishly.

    You have to be actually be in ret spec for the boss kill / coin roll to award ret-flagged gear.

    What you queued as has no bearing on what set of loot you are eligible for, it's entirely based on what spec you are in when the looting event happens.

  3. #1823
    Oh okay, i thought it just checked my role. Well okay back to respeccing then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haxx0rcist View Post
    Oh okay, i thought it just checked my role. Well okay back to respeccing then.
    It's not like you'll be taking loot from someone else as it no longer works that way with rolling. All that'll happen is you'll be another dps and another aspiring young tank will get the chance at the loot he wants. Win win. You're not depriving anyone of anything by going in as a different role

  5. #1825
    Quote Originally Posted by Lisey View Post
    Thanks for the checkup! Slack is actually 10 man, so I thought the haste/stam gems were the best of both worlds until my gear is less garbage. One question about trinkets... I have enough valor to buy the exp shado-pan one (or the old stam valor), would either/both of those be a good immediate choice for me? Could solve my stam and expertise problems pretty quickly.
    Sorry about that, I did a quick google and the Slack I found had one mention of 25 man, in that case I'd strongly recommend you avoid Stamina and just keep a set of trinkets on the back burner

  6. #1826
    If you like me are terrible at playing ret since you did not bother to learn the spec sine WotLK, what I found in LFR is that is better to do 0 damage at all, and just sit afk the entire raid, since people won't notice that you are low on recount that way. If you slack some and do low dps you can get kicked if you wipe, but if you do 0 dps they wont notice you and let you get your loot.

    I used to do this earlier in T14, but my dps is actually okay now, so now I just do my best even though I feel so bad being in the middle of the pack in LFR

    On epeen boost, yay, farm night! Another rank 1, and that will be my last raid for 5-6 weeks now. I will probably slack on paladin forums aswell, as in probably barely post at all, since I a going away on a trip. So I will be very inactive here. So I trust you all to ghost iron dragonling on! and be righteous fighters!
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  7. #1827
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    If you like me are terrible at playing ret since you did not bother to learn the spec sine WotLK, what I found in LFR is that is better to do 0 damage at all, and just sit afk the entire raid, since people won't notice that you are low on recount that way. If you slack some and do low dps you can get kicked if you wipe, but if you do 0 dps they wont notice you and let you get your loot.

    I used to do this earlier in T14, but my dps is actually okay now, so now I just do my best even though I feel so bad being in the middle of the pack in LFR

    On epeen boost, yay, farm night! Another rank 1, and that will be my last raid for 5-6 weeks now. I will probably slack on paladin forums aswell, as in probably barely post at all, since I a going away on a trip. So I will be very inactive here. So I trust you all to ghost iron dragonling on! and be righteous fighters!
    Tbh prot gear with haste build (i know you're using haste build) + clcret = top 5 dps in lfr.

  8. #1828
    Long time lurker here, didn't see any recent posts about the Legendary Meta Gems so I thought I'd sign up finally.

    Got mine earlier today, and I picked the Crit + Proc one instead of the tanking one and it's amazing.

    Don't think I can post links, but you can look at WOL Untold Prophecy Zul'jin US and see it, made a lot of mistakes and whatnot, but it's cool to look at the damage it can do.

    It ended up being my 4th highest damaging ability for the night (Sotr/AS/Judge/Proc/Melee in that order)
    Overal Damage:
    Lightning Strike 98,499,032 10.9 % of total damage done over 3 hours

    455 Hits 175,108.1 Average hit 7,9674,173 Total Hit damage
    47 Crits 320,719.3 Average crit 15,073,807 Total crit damage
    30 Blocks 125,035.1 Average blocked 3,751,052 Total blocked damage
    Last edited by YataZuljin; 2013-04-11 at 02:39 AM.

  9. #1829
    Quote Originally Posted by YataZuljin View Post
    Long time lurker here, didn't see any recent posts about the Legendary Meta Gems so I thought I'd sign up finally.

    Got mine earlier today, and I picked the Crit + Proc one instead of the tanking one and it's amazing.

    Don't think I can post links, but you can look at WOL Untold Prophecy Zul'jin US and see it, made a lot of mistakes and whatnot, but it's cool to look at the damage it can do.

    It ended up being my 4th highest damaging ability for the night (Sotr/AS/Judge/Proc/Melee in that order)
    Overal Damage:
    Lightning Strike 98,499,032 10.9 % of total damage done over 3 hours

    455 Hits 175,108.1 Average hit 7,9674,173 Total Hit damage
    47 Crits 320,719.3 Average crit 15,073,807 Total crit damage
    30 Blocks 125,035.1 Average blocked 3,751,052 Total blocked damage
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...yze/dd/source/ is the log.

    Now while the extra dps is nice (and basically the logic behind haste build), i feel like it's sort of "ehh" when compared to the tanking one, simple because the tanking one looks fairly nice. (Now if the proc was 30% haste like it is for the casters would've been a while another story).

  10. #1830
    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    Tbh prot gear with haste build (i know you're using haste build) + clcret = top 5 dps in lfr.
    Well, I just do not enjoy ret rotation, I find it boring as hell, and has no intention at all to play it. If I want to dps, I play another class, simply as that. + still have a blue weapon + no head with gem enchant . And not like trying hard, but can often be top 10 atleast now, sometimes better. But yeah, retri is not my deal, no pretending it is either.


    @Yata A bit off topic to what you wrote. But when I saw your name, I was like "OH.... MY.... GOD... YATA???, but then I noticed to played US"

    Looking at that jinrokh kill, it was a about 15k dps increase, and to be honest, that is not bad at all. I am still a bit torn about the dps vs tanking meta gem. I really wanna see how the uptime on the tank one is in practice. Anyone got logs to someone using tank one.
    For Horridon (checking the longer tries) it did about 20k dps.
    It scalse fairly well with vengeance I believe as well. (As in you can expect it to be 10%~ of your damage regardless of your vengeance levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...yze/dd/source/ is the log.

    Now while the extra dps is nice (and basically the logic behind haste build), i feel like it's sort of "ehh" when compared to the tanking one, simple because the tanking one looks fairly nice. (Now if the proc was 30% haste like it is for the casters would've been a while another story).
    The thing I get with the tanking one, is kinda the improved version of dodge/parry. You simply can not guarantee its uptime, or control its procs in any way. I can survive without the meta gem, why do I need it? Unless it got like 70-80% uptime, I will probably not use it.

    Its good, but not that good as nothing stops it from being down when I actually need it.
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  11. #1831
    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    [url]Now while the extra dps is nice (and basically the logic behind haste build)
    That is not the main intention of the control/haste gearing strategy whatsoever, it's just a nice side-effect. Control/haste has positive aspects in terms of mitigation of burst scenarios that is appealing in and of itself.

  12. #1832
    Mitigating burst scenarios? What? :P Haste provides no further protection at all in shorter bursts. It is over the course of a longer fight that you will see higher uptime. But for me, a burst scenario is something like Sha swipe, durumu stare, lei shen decap etc. And haste provides 0 additional protetion as SotR absorbs as much with 0 or 10000 haste. Mastery or stamina however, provides better protection for burst scenarios.

    But maybe we have different definitions of burst scenarios.

    Or well, think I understand now. Think I misunderstood first. You are referring to the theck damage bursts a.k.a. boss melee hits.
    For me burst scenarios mean "Oh shit, boss is gonna do a ton amount of damage in a short period of time"

    Yeah... for me in terms of survivability, haste is like the Prot T15 2p.

    In my opinion the main advantage of haste is the dps, the rest is just a nice side benefit. As the dps is the only advantage the haste got over the other stats, it falls behind in the other departments. Its like, haste = dps + survivability mastery/stamina = no dps and more survivability.
    So saying that survivability is the main part of haste feels wrong, when the other stats provide more. It is dps that haste provides that the others does not.

    That said, haste is a well rounded stat. If bosses were as fairytale as they were in tanking simulations and we used 1 tank, and bosses melee hitted for the exact same amount through out the entire fight, never using any abilities, getting a damage buff or spawning adds, then haste would be our best survivability stat, sadly this isnt the case on 100% of the boss fights.

    I think it is hard to deny that the dps is the logic behind the haste build. Since that is what is unique about it. As said, feels like the Prot 2p. The added mitigation for me is just. "You geared for dps great, here have a bone and it is not useless in defensive abilities aswell"
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  13. #1833
    Quote Originally Posted by underdogba View Post
    That is not the main intention of the control/haste gearing strategy whatsoever, it's just a nice side-effect. Control/haste has positive aspects in terms of mitigation of burst scenarios that is appealing in and of itself.
    When comparing the haste and the mastery build, i feel like a) mastery would be better in burst dmg scenarios b) we take haste because it provides ~ dmg mitigation but a fair bit more dps.

    However the reason why we gem haste is because it's still beneficial for survival. And from what i heard most of the proc meta gems have fairly decent uptimes, so unless tanking one is complete poop (and it shouldn't be, since it's uptime increases with haste, which we got a lot of) it will be really hard to justify losing 20% dmg reduction for a bit of extra dps (granted getting the dps meta, will make it ranking on WoL so much easier).

  14. #1834
    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    So unless tanking one is complete poop (and it shouldn't be, since it's uptime increases with haste, which we got a lot of) it will be really hard to justify losing 20% dmg reduction for a bit of extra dps (granted getting the dps meta, will make it ranking on WoL so much easier).
    I just feel like, unless its uptime is above 80%, it just feels to random. I can't balance my tanking playstyle around a proc that may or not not be there. As I mentioned earlier, it feels like a slightly stronger version of dodge and parry, but in a world with active mitigation, how useful is it? I just fear that the tanking meta will fall under the shadow of proc umbrella. When will blizzard understand, that tanks, dont, want, random, procs. We want reliability, passive stats / uses. If the tank meta gave me an additional ability with 20% damage reduction for 10 seconds on 30 second cd, AWESOME, but giving me an unreliable proc, no.

    I would much rather take a flat 5% damage reduction than a 20% damage reduction with 70% uptime.

    And for me it feels like, obviously as a tank, you can survive everything with our without the meta. So if I can survive without the meta, why not? It feels like a quite big dps to survivability ratio in trade. I would rather trade the meta gem to dps and then go for maybe stamina trinkets instead. That feels like a smarter trade off to me. But then again, I am not saying A or B is better until getting my hands on the meta gem myself, which will be 2-3 months away.

    Just saying that I got initial fear that the meta gem will be extremely underwhelming for tanks.
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  15. #1835
    Yeah, people were already clearing Heroic T15 and doing Ra-den without even having the second T15 quest (kill Nalak) completed. I'll probably take the dps meta gem for my retribution helmet, and then when Blizzard realizes nobody is using the tank meta gem and buffs it, I'll get one for my prot set. As it is right now, I'm not that interested.
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    Iam going to test the new tank meta today in ToT 10m HC's.
    Got it yesterday after the raid was allready over so I was only able to test it on some trash mobs. Some guy over at wowhead say that it has a 1.4 rppm but I think it proccs way more often and frequently and it also has the ability to refresh the buff while it is allready active, so I ended up with a duration of like 25 sec and 20% dmg reduction, I think this is rly huge and as long as we don't have cleared everything on heroic I will stick with it, because I think this will help my raid more than some more dps, because I allready deal way too much dmg as a tank IMHO.

  17. #1837
    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskaron View Post
    I think this will help my raid more than some more dps, because I allready deal way too much dmg as a tank IMHO.

    Yeah, whenever I feel like I am doing to much damage I just tab down to facebook for a while and forget my rotation for 30 seconds so that the dps can catch and I can get on a more normal damage level.

    You can never have enough damage!
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  18. #1838
    What percentage uptime did you have?
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    I'm still at 15 secrets after 55 normal+heroic kills combined. Few people from guild who have less kills got their quests finished already.
    This really sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    Yeah, whenever I feel like I am doing to much damage I just tab down to facebook for a while and forget my rotation for 30 seconds so that the dps can catch and I can get on a more normal damage level.
    You forgot italic

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