1. #1881
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    Are you using Vial of Dragons Blood? :P

    Get a ghost iron dragonling instead, the dragons blood is the worst trinket you can possibly have. There are green trinkets that are better.

    And yes, the brutal talisman is insanely a lot better than the vial and strength is far more useful than dodge so it is not even a debate there.

    So either get a dragonling or a talisman, those are more close to eachother than the vial is.
    maybe...

    The bad thing is I remember reading you saying that before and i sold it when i got it on LFR, stopped for a while due to work but started again and did the first 6 bosses of ToT and got like the hulk, hopefully tonight would be better

    Thanks anyway

  2. #1882
    Feels like people are just looking at the item levels of items, not the actual stats. Just because a trinket is labeled "protection" and got 476 ilvl doesnt automatically make it better than a 429 green trinket. The dragonsblood is literally as bad as protection trinkets come, or well, the darkmoon card trinket before they changed it
    Volun-told - A supposedly optional event, award, assignment, or activity in which a person (or persons) are required to attend either by persons-in-charge nominating them or their peers expecting them to be there. The individual often has no say in the matter, and non-attendance in frowned upon.

    I am so tired of seeing terrible people, being admired, for being terrible people.

  3. #1883
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    Feels like people are just looking at the item levels of items, not the actual stats. Just because a trinket is labeled "protection" and got 476 ilvl doesnt automatically make it better than a 429 green trinket. The dragonsblood is literally as bad as protection trinkets come, or well, the darkmoon card trinket before they changed it
    Heh literally bought the DMC tanking one when i got my paladin to 90 thinking 'oh ilvl.. must be good' then i actually read up on paladins fucked up stat weights

  4. #1884
    I dont think paladin stat weights are fucked up. Never enjoyed paladin tanking this much. Imo they are at the best place they have ever been. Only dps QQs.
    Volun-told - A supposedly optional event, award, assignment, or activity in which a person (or persons) are required to attend either by persons-in-charge nominating them or their peers expecting them to be there. The individual often has no say in the matter, and non-attendance in frowned upon.

    I am so tired of seeing terrible people, being admired, for being terrible people.

  5. #1885
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    I dont think paladin stat weights are fucked up. Never enjoyed paladin tanking this much. Imo they are at the best place they have ever been. Only dps QQs.
    And people who still think the Dungeons & Dragons model for tanking is the only correct model.

    Times change, games change. Adapt and embrace, or be sad and subpar.

    I agree, this is certainly the most fun tanking I've had since ever. Feels like a useful contribution to the raid through both damage output AND healing contribution instead of a meat shield, and AM rewards smart play (and punishes poor play) allowing for a skill cap that was previously nonexistant in the tanking world.
    Quote Originally Posted by Malthanis View Post
    We'll all be appropriately shocked/amazed when Nairobi actually gets an avatar, but until then, let's try to not derail the thread heckling him about it.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    If it was that easy don't you think we would have figured that out? (Source)
    20k and counting...

  6. #1886
    Haha im not saying its bad it was just a shock as I used to tank with a paladin but changed to a monk in mists ( I was all about the WoL ranks back in DS on my paladin and as i played a monk i like the deeps), I was just unprepared for them until i looked them up xD

    It's kind of annoying having to change to retri and shit all the time but thats changing soon in an upcoming patch and tbh i like the paladin tanking right now, the reason i stopped playing paladin was because it was so boring, all you had to do was press CDs and stand there being bored lol

  7. #1887
    You mean 9-6-9-6-9 while watching youtube WASN'T compelling gameplay?
    Quote Originally Posted by Malthanis View Post
    We'll all be appropriately shocked/amazed when Nairobi actually gets an avatar, but until then, let's try to not derail the thread heckling him about it.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    If it was that easy don't you think we would have figured that out? (Source)
    20k and counting...

  8. #1888
    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    You mean 9-6-9-6-9 while watching youtube WASN'T compelling gameplay?
    Gotta love a bit of good ol' 69'in

  9. #1889
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    I dont think paladin stat weights are fucked up. Never enjoyed paladin tanking this much. Imo they are at the best place they have ever been. Only dps QQs.
    I recently picked up the Shado-Pan str proc trinket and my dps has skyrocketed. After Council this past week, one of our dps looks at meters and goes, "Wait...how the hell is 'paulleedot' doing that."

    Felt nice hitting 200k dps for a few seconds on Lei-Shen after popping all cooldowns/trinkets.

  10. #1890
    Wait til you get:
    1) HC Spark of Zandalar
    2) HC Fabled Feather of JiKun
    3) Capacitive Primal Diamond

    Prot Paladin burst on fights like HC Horridon or HC Iron Qon is upwards of 600k

    WITH 30% of that as healing /trololol
    Quote Originally Posted by Malthanis View Post
    We'll all be appropriately shocked/amazed when Nairobi actually gets an avatar, but until then, let's try to not derail the thread heckling him about it.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    If it was that easy don't you think we would have figured that out? (Source)
    20k and counting...

  11. #1891
    Horridon melees for 400k without a sotr up, currently i got 61k armor. But this is 10man. I tanked him constantly with a CD up, cleaned stacks twice at around 6-7 punctures. dp, ha, dp, ardent, kings, sacrifice dp pain supp, vigilance. (for vigi and sacrifice, they need to pop a cd, because they will most likley die if theres one of those funny puncture+call+melee hit combo.

  12. #1892
    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    Wait til you get:
    1) HC Spark of Zandalar
    2) HC Fabled Feather of JiKun
    3) Capacitive Primal Diamond

    Prot Paladin burst on fights like HC Horridon or HC Iron Qon is upwards of 600k

    WITH 30% of that as healing /trololol
    AS does not procc battle healer.
    Intel i5 2500K (4.5 GHz) | Asus Z77 Sabertooth | 8GB Corsair Vengeance LP 1600MHz | Gigabyte Windforcex3 HD 7950 | Crucial M4 128GB | Crucial M550 256GB | Asus Xonar DGX | Samson SR 850 | Zalman ZM-Mic1 | Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB | Noctua NH-U12P SE2 | Fractal Design Arc Midi | Corsair HX650

    Tanking with the Blessing of Kings - The TankSpot Guide to the Protection Paladin - Updated for Patch 5.4!

  13. #1893
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    AS does not procc battle healer.
    I think he meant 'as', not 'AS' (the preposition, not the spell)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryngo Blackratchet View Post
    Yeah, Rhandric is right, as usual.

  14. #1894
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    AS does not procc battle healer.
    But the SoI healing more than makes up for that tiny mistake

  15. #1895
    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    Wait til you get:
    1) HC Spark of Zandalar
    2) HC Fabled Feather of JiKun
    3) Capacitive Primal Diamond

    Prot Paladin burst on fights like HC Horridon or HC Iron Qon is upwards of 600k

    WITH 30% of that as healing /trololol
    I think our UH DK is going to take Feather before me. Booooo.
    That's bonkers though. How much healing could one theoretically do with the perfect storm of procs over a fight? I'm currently doing around 30-40% the amount of healing as our healers. Could I see that potentially spike up to like 60-80%?

    Also, I was pretty excited about Spark due to all that Haste. But after speaking to our warrior, I was a bit unimpressed at how rarely you actually build up to 10 stacks. Does the massive amount of Haste make up for it? Most of the other trinkets seem to have much better uptime. (All this is purely in terms of dps, not necessarily survivability)

  16. #1896
    Quote Originally Posted by rhandric View Post
    I think he meant 'as', not 'AS' (the preposition, not the spell)
    No, Avenger's Shield does not procc Battle Healer.

    ---------- Post added 2013-04-19 at 05:40 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by paulleedot View Post
    I think our UH DK is going to take Feather before me. Booooo.
    That's bonkers though. How much healing could one theoretically do with the perfect storm of procs over a fight? I'm currently doing around 30-40% the amount of healing as our healers. Could I see that potentially spike up to like 60-80%?

    Also, I was pretty excited about Spark due to all that Haste. But after speaking to our warrior, I was a bit unimpressed at how rarely you actually build up to 10 stacks. Does the massive amount of Haste make up for it? Most of the other trinkets seem to have much better uptime. (All this is purely in terms of dps, not necessarily survivability)
    I generally have about 30% uptime of the strength buff from Spark (non-heroic, thunderforged).
    Intel i5 2500K (4.5 GHz) | Asus Z77 Sabertooth | 8GB Corsair Vengeance LP 1600MHz | Gigabyte Windforcex3 HD 7950 | Crucial M4 128GB | Crucial M550 256GB | Asus Xonar DGX | Samson SR 850 | Zalman ZM-Mic1 | Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB | Noctua NH-U12P SE2 | Fractal Design Arc Midi | Corsair HX650

    Tanking with the Blessing of Kings - The TankSpot Guide to the Protection Paladin - Updated for Patch 5.4!

  17. #1897
    Quote Originally Posted by rhandric View Post
    I think he meant 'as', not 'AS' (the preposition, not the spell)
    Correct, was saying 30% of my damage was also done as healing. Minus non-melee items, so sure, a tad less, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Xs View Post
    But the SoI healing more than makes up for that tiny mistake
    This makes it all better!

    Quote Originally Posted by paulleedot View Post
    I think our UH DK is going to take Feather before me. Booooo.
    That's bonkers though. How much healing could one theoretically do with the perfect storm of procs over a fight? I'm currently doing around 30-40% the amount of healing as our healers. Could I see that potentially spike up to like 60-80%?
    On HC IQ, I was top heals. And our heals are no slouch either (ran MW, RSham, HPriest), as they all [would have] ranked in top 25 [had we been running logs].

    Also, I was pretty excited about Spark due to all that Haste. But after speaking to our warrior, I was a bit unimpressed at how rarely you actually build up to 10 stacks. Does the massive amount of Haste make up for it? Most of the other trinkets seem to have much better uptime. (All this is purely in terms of dps, not necessarily survivability)
    1) Warriors do not stack haste, and 2) if hes TG he hits waaay less often than a haste stacking paladin with a 1H. I usually have around 1.5-2 PPM of the buff, so pushing 40-45% if I had to guess without reviewing logs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    No, Avenger's Shield does not procc Battle Healer.

    ---------- Post added 2013-04-19 at 05:40 PM ----------



    I generally have about 30% uptime of the strength buff from Spark (non-heroic, thunderforged).
    Ugh, too many acronyms. Again, meant that 30% of my damage done as healing, not Avenger's Shield healing.

    Interesting about your uptime; though I know you run a bit less haste than I do, being in 25m. Also heard (and starting to believe) that HC trinkets have increased proc rates/chances over their normal/TF counterparts. I saw a MARKED increase in uptime going from LFR Spark to HC Spark.
    Quote Originally Posted by Malthanis View Post
    We'll all be appropriately shocked/amazed when Nairobi actually gets an avatar, but until then, let's try to not derail the thread heckling him about it.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    If it was that easy don't you think we would have figured that out? (Source)
    20k and counting...

  18. #1898
    Has anyone toyed around with the tanking meta gem? Curious as to what its uptime is with a full haste build.

  19. #1899
    Blademaster
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    England
    Posts
    43
    Quote Originally Posted by britishbubba View Post
    Has anyone toyed around with the tanking meta gem? Curious as to what its uptime is with a full haste build.
    Why would haste build make any difference? Unless the tooltip is wrong, it's chance on being hit, not chance on hit.

  20. #1900
    Quote Originally Posted by Seahenar View Post
    Why would haste build make any difference? Unless the tooltip is wrong, it's chance on being hit, not chance on hit.
    Because its proc is on the RPPM system and the amount of procs you get with RPPM is increased by haste.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •