1. #2181
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    Dunno, maybe this vengeance change is good. I feel like it will be pretty lackluster, not change much. Though maybe it try to lessen the behavior amongst tanks to act like this when tanking

    http://i.imgur.com/DfQqM.gif

    "Gotta stand in the fire"
    Standing in fire usually doesn't get you above the threshold anyway (or at least not high enough to make the nerf noticable)
    It's single tanking on certain bosses that breaks the limit (tortos, iron qon for example)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    Rofl, I never even considered rank8 as prot. Hmmm....
    I managed to get there as a dk - but that was with battletron bugged. Couldn't even get close to beating any of the r8 bosses (even with millhouse at close to max stacks).
    Much better off doing those as ret to meet the dps requirements.
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  2. #2182
    The only one I could manage was Epicus by standing in just about everything. Zen'shar gives no vengeance, Disruptron gives no vengeance and Milhouse hits pretty weakly so I doubt that could work either. Still though, epicus was pretty straight forward and it's just the complete lack of vengeance from discs/beams that stops Disruptron from working =p

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    Quick question. It's been a while since I have really played as prot, and a lot has changed...from what I can see the best stat priority is Stamina > Melee Hit (7.5%) > Expertise (15%) > Haste > Mastery > Parry > Dodge.

    Does this mean as a prot I should be aiming more for DPS-ish gear (as if I were gearing for Ret)? Well until the hit/expertise are met, or is there enough of that on the higher end gear to handle it?
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  4. #2184
    Yes, you should aim for the dps gear. The stat priority is nothing set in stone.

    Some prefer stamina over everything.
    Some prefer secondary stats over stamina.
    Some prefer haste over expertise hard cap.

    All got valid points.

    Personally for 10 man I go for hit>exp soft cap>haste>exp hard cap>stamina>mastery>crit>spell pen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    Yes, you should aim for the dps gear. The stat priority is nothing set in stone.

    Some prefer stamina over everything.
    Some prefer secondary stats over stamina.
    Some prefer haste over expertise hard cap.

    All got valid points.

    Personally for 10 man I go for hit>exp soft cap>haste>exp hard cap>stamina>mastery>crit>spell pen
    Such a 180 from what I knew about prot pally. I got so spoiled with my Blood DK XD.

    *starts nostalgiaing over the times when he had to make sure he had 102.4% avoidance to be uncrushable while tanking in tBC* ahhh...good times...
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    After a night of some decent gear upgrades I now got 13 expertise. Though I am considering changing an expertise piece for anther piece yielding me more sta, haste, armor and mastery. Gonna be on 11.5 expertise again then


    Nothing beats getting top 10 rank without meta gem... knowing that if I had the meta gem it would be rank 1

    I am seriously gonna stop logging until I get the meta gem. Just depresses me only getting rank 20-100 on most fights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    I am seriously gonna stop logging until I get the meta gem.
    I got my 6000 VP for the quest line this week, today actually. Just a day before it goes down to 3000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fhi View Post
    I got my 6000 VP for the quest line this week, today actually. Just a day before it goes down to 3000.
    *brofist*

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  9. #2189
    Quote Originally Posted by Fhi View Post
    I got my 6000 VP for the quest line this week, today actually. Just a day before it goes down to 3000.
    I actually got sad reading this, like I made a sad face and everything.

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    I can't really compete for ranking since our raid leader doesn't like solotanking strategies, he prefers "reliable" stuff.

    Although, I'm pretty happy for ranking #32 on Ji-kun 25H after getting new weapon (Do-tharak HC TF) and finally a Spark (HC TF aswell, on our 1st kill).

    As for Legendary quests, I'm sad panda. I've been on runestone part for 4 weeks already, still got only 1 runestone. (out of 24 bosses that can drop them)
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  11. #2191
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    After a night of some decent gear upgrades I now got 13 expertise. Though I am considering changing an expertise piece for anther piece yielding me more sta, haste, armor and mastery. Gonna be on 11.5 expertise again then


    Nothing beats getting top 10 rank without meta gem... knowing that if I had the meta gem it would be rank 1

    I am seriously gonna stop logging until I get the meta gem. Just depresses me only getting rank 20-100 on most fights.
    I still have never seen your armory, so not sure of your progress. Are these ranks on heroics or normals? Would just like to see your logs, as well as progress. I hardly push the envelope for ranks, esp since there is so much going on in the top 2-3% of parses for cheesing; I refuse to /sit or other shit to inflate veng... so I usually land in the top 30-50 now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lethora View Post
    I can't really compete for ranking since our raid leader doesn't like solotanking strategies, he prefers "reliable" stuff.

    Although, I'm pretty happy for ranking #32 on Ji-kun 25H after getting new weapon (Do-tharak HC TF) and finally a Spark (HC TF aswell, on our 1st kill).

    As for Legendary quests, I'm sad panda. I've been on runestone part for 4 weeks already, still got only 1 runestone. (out of 24 bosses that can drop them)
    Same here, been on runestones for 5 weeks and only have 4 (out of 30), so you're not THAT far off. One of our raiders got 6 the first week he was on the quest... sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    Same here, been on runestones for 5 weeks and only have 4 (out of 30), so you're not THAT far off. One of our raiders got 6 the first week he was on the quest... sigh.
    Well, most of our raiders are on 5+ after 4-5 weeks they've been on the quest. I feel like I'm trailing behind. The only thing that makes me somewhat happy is that I'm still best-geared character on Horde side of our realm, being like 3 full item levels ahead of #2.
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  13. #2193
    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    I still have never seen your armory, so not sure of your progress. Are these ranks on heroics or normals? Would just like to see your logs, as well as progress. I hardly push the envelope for ranks, esp since there is so much going on in the top 2-3% of parses for cheesing; I refuse to /sit or other shit to inflate veng... so I usually land in the top 30-50 now.
    I would never cheese a rank further than chasing after a bit more vengeance than healthy.

    Talking normal here though as we just made a new raid team having to gear people up that have not played since WotLK. But we pretty much steamrolled normal ToT in ilevel 490 average so should be in heroics soon! Maybe when I get some more heroic logs I can share with you I do not really care about normal logs other than chasing ranks
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  14. #2194
    Ah, yeah. That explains a bit then. Normal logs are mostly guilds that are struggling with the content or in circumstances of reroll/alts, which makes it much easier (obviously) to rank highly without going for /sit vengeance and other silly things.

    Not denegrating your ranks, just making the logical conclusion. I've found myself having to play a bit more cautiously in Heroic progression, obviously, which will reflect in dmg done. Now, on farm bosses I sometimes try to push dmg, but usually I just go on auto-pilot, zzzzzz.
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  15. #2195
    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    Ah, yeah. That explains a bit then. Normal logs are mostly guilds that are struggling with the content or in circumstances of reroll/alts, which makes it much easier (obviously) to rank highly without going for /sit vengeance and other silly things.

    Not denegrating your ranks, just making the logical conclusion. I've found myself having to play a bit more cautiously in Heroic progression, obviously, which will reflect in dmg done. Now, on farm bosses I sometimes try to push dmg, but usually I just go on auto-pilot, zzzzzz.
    I think I will be able to compete in heroic mode logs aswell Did fairly well last tier and during the first week this tier before I went away on vacation
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    Competing for ranks is a bit of a bummer in ToT since we very rarely do single-tanking strategies (haven't had serious Enrage Timer issues in ToT, that I remember) plus many of those up at the top are cheesing it out with the whole "turn around and sit" BS.

    Maybe I'm just dumb or maybe I'm just stuck in the past but ultimately I'd rather not put an extra strain on healers so I can do a bit more damage. >.<


  17. #2197
    Nah, I would never turn around / sit. That is way over the top for me. Getting ranks has gone to far then. For me getting ranks is about playing well. Not cheesing encounters/mechanics.
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    is someone already so far progressed to have received the ilvl 600 cloak?

    if so, can that someone confirm that you are able to take the crit/haste/mastery one instead of the dodge/parry/mastery one? or is this bound to the current role or whatever else?

    someone from my guild is also concerned that he may not take the int DPS cloak as healer. and we are not as far progressed to test this out by ourselves.

    thanks for anyone who can report what is possible for this quest.

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    http://www.wowhead.com/quest=32861
    I'm pretty sure we will be able to choose. Just like it was with legendary gems.

    The actual Celestial Challenge is the quest before this one.
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    I'm still lost on why the quests give Black Prince rep since one of the quests in 5.2 required Exalted.



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