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    theck's made a post on his blog about the 4 piece if you're interested. Dont think he covered DP interaction though.
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  2. #2602
    Quote Originally Posted by rawhammer View Post
    theck's made a post on his blog about the 4 piece if you're interested. Dont think he covered DP interaction though.
    Yeah, that post didnt really cover so much about the 4p, it was just a scratch. It was pretty much what we said when the 4p first was announced + things he thought should change. Nothing new really.
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  3. #2603
    I was doing some testing last night with the 4P on ptr. With 40% haste and DP, I was able to keep 100% uptime and push 30s on SotR duration if I had a "decent" number of DP procs. If it was very small number of them, it was rather difficult.



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    it really cant go out live like that imo
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    Yeah, I thought it was unbalanced as hell to reduce melee swings by 30% in Cataclysm, but to be reducing EVERYTHING by 45-50% is just...there is no way in hell that is going live.
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  6. #2606
    So going to switch to my pally next patch unless they completely rework blood dks - considering they are even going to 'fix' the most annoying part about ret - 30 sec inquisition.
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  7. #2607
    Quote Originally Posted by rawhammer View Post
    it really cant go out live like that imo
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    ...there is no way in hell that is going live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    Not if you keep talking about it! Shhhh!
    I said this when the set was first announced but I'm scared if blizz does let it go live. In the past blizz has nerfed the EFFECT of a broken mechanic and not the cause. I'm very, very sacred that if t goes live we'll see a nerf to SoTR instead of, or in addition to, the broken ass mechanic.

  9. #2609
    Quote Originally Posted by Aceshigh View Post
    I said this when the set was first announced but I'm scared if blizz does let it go live. In the past blizz has nerfed the EFFECT of a broken mechanic and not the cause. I'm very, very sacred that if t goes live we'll see a nerf to SoTR instead of, or in addition to, the broken ass mechanic.
    That's a good point, but I don't see how they can nerf ShoR anymore. Lower the amount of physical damage it reduces even more? If they do this, it'll definitely hurt but it wouldn't be devastating blow...especially if we're seeing ~90-100% uptimes.

    IIRC, they've modified or completely changed set bonuses (bonii?) which were found to be OP or broken early on in the PTR. I would imagine if we see another change to our 4P, it'll be to the bonus itself and not to ShoR.

  10. #2610
    Quote Originally Posted by paulleedot View Post
    That's a good point, but I don't see how they can nerf ShoR anymore. Lower the amount of physical damage it reduces even more? If they do this, it'll definitely hurt but it wouldn't be devastating blow...especially if we're seeing ~90-100% uptimes.

    IIRC, they've modified or completely changed set bonuses (bonii?) which were found to be OP or broken early on in the PTR. I would imagine if we see another change to our 4P, it'll be to the bonus itself and not to ShoR.
    Think of something retarded along the lines of 1.5-2s SoTR instead of 3 haha. Those are the things I fear so much happening if this bonus is as broken as some think. I dunno, just have a bad feeling that it could get so out of hand they nerf SoTR or both.

  11. #2611
    SotR probably does need a nerf. With uptimes we'll see next tier it'll be nuts. Perhaps affecting Haste's scaling with SoB

    Nerfing the time from 3 seconds would really really suck

  12. #2612
    Quote Originally Posted by Aceshigh View Post
    Think of something retarded along the lines of 1.5-2s SoTR instead of 3 haha. Those are the things I fear so much happening if this bonus is as broken as some think. I dunno, just have a bad feeling that it could get so out of hand they nerf SoTR or both.
    I don't think they'd be able to do something like that because it essentially handicaps anyone who isn't using the 4P.

    I imagine most prot paladins don't even see 40% ShoR uptimes now (at least judging from the gearing/gemming choices I see in pugs/LFRs). This seems like a pretty drastic change to address a relatively small population. The harm would outweigh any benefit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulleedot View Post
    I don't think they'd be able to do something like that because it essentially handicaps anyone who isn't using the 4P.
    This is my saving thought as well. If we see anything nerfed, it will be the 4pc, since a ~2sec ShotR is going to be REALLY hard to manage properly for all but the top 10% of players, esp so with uptimes of only 60-75% (without 4pc), which will become 40-50% if that was the change. Or, further reduction of the power of ShotR would bring it down to like, what, 15% reduction? At that point, most of the lower quartiles of players will not even see it as worth casting.

    So, thank those nubs and hug the LFR-Heroes, ShotR should be safe!

    What is more likely would be something catastrophicly lame, like "Casting Word of Glory now refunds 1 Holy Power. Period." But then, I'd not feel bad about ignoring tier (again), so it's not all bad news.
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    The only thing I can think of is them massively nerfing base mastery and increasing the value of mastery to compensate - this way you'll have to invest into some mastery rather than going all haste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo View Post
    The only thing I can think of is them massively nerfing base mastery and increasing the value of mastery to compensate - this way you'll have to invest into some mastery rather than going all haste.
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    I really do not expect anything gamebreaking to change. In all seirousness, only the top 2% of the raiding paladin population will be able to keep this up, it is the last tier of the expansion, they are probably holding back the big changes for the next expac. Would not make sense to drastically alter how the class works now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    NEVER! I WILL NEVER SERVE YOU MASTERY!

    I really do not expect anything gamebreaking to change. In all seirousness, only the top 2% of the raiding paladin population will be able to keep this up, it is the last tier of the expansion, they are probably holding back the big changes for the next expac. Would not make sense to drastically alter how the class works now.
    Do you think the current Haste/Control build will be dismantled come next expansion? It seems that the devs want us to choose dodge/parry over more "offensive" stats like haste (judging from the amount of D/P on our tier sets)...but that said, I don't understand why they introduced Sanctity of Battle for Prot. It seems like a huge oversight on their part not to expect Haste-focused builds by giving us said passive.

  17. #2617
    Quote Originally Posted by paulleedot View Post
    Do you think the current Haste/Control build will be dismantled come next expansion? It seems that the devs want us to choose dodge/parry over more "offensive" stats like haste (judging from the amount of D/P on our tier sets)...but that said, I don't understand why they introduced Sanctity of Battle for Prot. It seems like a huge oversight on their part not to expect Haste-focused builds by giving us said passive.
    To be honest I am not sure which way they will take. What I am fairly sure about is that they will either make sure all tanks have use for haste/crit or none. Dont think we will see the current design when paladins are the only strength tank that want "dps" stats.

    I wish that they would make it so all tanks use the dps gear, which blizzard seems to have gotten a lot of positive feedback from paladins about. Though you never know blizzard. I foresee them either pulling the plug or going all in.
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    Active mitigation is certainly here to stay. The actual mechanics of how it works will inevitably go through changes in the next expansion.

    That being said the way pally tanks interact with haste has been a resounding success (though I'm guessing more by luck then actual design -don't think they foresaw the haste stacking direction the community took when we started in MoP). It's never been as fun, which is surely a good direction to take.

    I think they need to bring the other tank class mechanics in line with pallies (and monks), more than changing us.
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    I think they'll go the route of all tanks wanting "DPS" stats and just eliminate the whole dodge/parry. They have said this expansion they're not sure what role those stats server anymore and I think they've realized that the haste/crit route of active tanking is something that a lot of players are enjoying; I have never had as much fun tanking on my Paladin as I do now. I think that we'll see the elimination of traditional tank stats with the next expansion and I'm ok with that.

  20. #2620
    I am rather sure Ghostcrawler said in some dev blog that they were really happy with how paladins worked out and they would like the other tank to function similarly, or something along those lines.
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