1. #3081
    Quote Originally Posted by Vasilisa View Post
    In the upcoming lockout I might tank hc tortos (10 man) with my paladin instead of monk (due to lack of hunter who went on vacation). Paladin was my main until mop, when I rerolled, so she is in "so-so" shape. Could you give me some tips/help (suggested glyphs/talents), etc for this one? What we plan is to have holy pala healing with rf so we know where bats will be going. Going with tanking strategy instead of kiting without md gives more room for mistake imo.

    Here is armory of my paladin: (yes I know I forgot about shoulder enchant and belt buckle): http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...lissa/advanced

    Many thanks for all tips.
    It looks like your post got lost in the middle of a discussion that was going on. For future reference, there's a Fixing my Tanking! thread that's better suited for questions like this.

    We could use some more information. Unless I'm missing something, you don't state if you're the Tortos tank or the add tank. I'm also assuming you're two tanking? "Tanking strat" is pretty vague.

    We run Paladin/DK as our tanks. I'm usually on the boss full time and our DK picks up the bats. I run pretty standard glyphs/talents (FS/AS, BH, FW for glyphs and DP, HPr/LH for talents). Tortos tanking is pretty straightforward and the only time it gets annoying is on the pull because Snapping Bite will eat up your shield immediately. I usually pool up 3 HoPo, ShoR, and then use my Judge/Crystal macro to get a shield right away (and pop a defensive CD for good measure).

    I haven't been add tank ever so not too familiar with that, but I imagine you can just sit on your Holy paladin and drop a Consecrate. Our DK holds Tortos for a few seconds before bats drop to build up Vengeance, so you can consider doing that. As for glyphs, if you're having issues with bats going crazy, Consecrate glyph MIGHT be helpful?

    If you're solo tanking, just have your holy paladin stand on top of you whenever bats come down. Your Vengeance + Consecrate + LH should be more than enough.

  2. #3082
    The other alternative, is why don't you just tank the bats on your monk? I've done it on 25H, I'm sure it isn't nearly as bad on 10H. You actually have more and better tools on the monk as opposed to the paladin. Not to mention GUARDS EVERYWHERE.



  3. #3083
    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo View Post
    Well tortos doesn't drop anything useful anyway.
    Crit/haste shoulders are pretty beast, but yeah. It's mostly crap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy View Post
    To expand on the above
    Wait...wait....no.

    Prot for Jin until you get a 522 weapon - You miss out on the belt here, which is BIS by a longshot. I think the chest can go both ways, but you also get stuck with the dodge/exp ring as Prot. Stay Ret.

    Prot for Prim until 522 shield - LORD no. So many traps on his Prot table. Mace, Legs AND Shoulders ALL with Dodge AND Parry. Or, you could go ret and get Hit/Haste gloves, Hit/Haste Ring, or trinket/cape (poop, but not bad for ret)

    Prot for Iron Qon until a 522 weapon - Agreed

    Prot for Twins until 522 weapon - Meh the neck is pretty shit, since we're talking about LFR. He should just go buy the valor haste/mastery one (I still wear it at 545 ilvl). Ret gets boots and a trinket (again, not great, but good for OS)

    Prot for Lei Shen until 522 shield and if you want the Stam Trinket (though not really needed). - This is the shield you want. You get Parry/mastery shield WITH a chance at Stam trinket (never bad to have) or a hit/mastery helm if you get "unlucky". Hell, even the "tank" legs he drops aren't bad.

    Some weapons may fit your stats better than others.

    Man I didn't realize there were so many occasions for weapons yet the only thing I've seen is the damned one from Tortos that has crit and hit.
    Really, don't sweat a weapon. It's not a big deal AT ALL, basically a stat stick.

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    And yes, @ the angry monk, why not just tank them on the monk? They're pretty much made for that job, after all... Shouldn't need MD's/Tricks on a Monk (if that's why you're considering changing it up).

    If you just want to gear the paladin, that's another story. If you just want to face-tank, have the HPal stand on you, use BH glyph, and tank as normal. Bats will come, drop cons, keep up ShotR/CDs as needed, and faceroll to victory.

    Should add that LH is waaaay better than prism here. Slows turtles (and bats), does retard-stronk dmg (and healing), and is on the perfect CD for call-turtles (til ~20%).
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  4. #3084
    Sigh... so many other pieces drop that fill those other slots but there are only so many opportunity for weapons and shields. And when it comes to these beggars can't be choosers if they don't have a raid team to funnel gear. It's highly likely someone looking for gearing advice in lfr tot has a 483 or less and min/maxing isn't as relevant yet.

    I stand by my recommendations.

  5. #3085
    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy View Post
    Sigh... so many other pieces drop that fill those other slots but there are only so many opportunity for weapons and shields. And when it comes to these beggars can't be choosers if they don't have a raid team to funnel gear. It's highly likely someone looking for gearing advice in lfr tot has a 483 or less and min/maxing isn't as relevant yet.

    I stand by my recommendations.
    Weapons are stat sticks. They really don't matter in the grand scheme. Shields are a bit more important, but honestly you can get 4 useful items from Lei Shen and miss out on nothing, or get 1 shield from Primo and a 3 in 4 chance of DODGE/PARRY LOOT, while also giving up BIS pieces.

    The Jinrohk belt is BIS. Primo gloves and ring are BIS. Twins has a better neck available for valor.

    You can stand by your recommendations, but that doesn't make them correct.
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  6. #3086
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    was looking at the new drops in SoO, you can find it HERE almost everything has haste on it. cap will be so damn easy to obtain...
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  7. #3087
    Quote Originally Posted by kittycovox View Post
    was looking at the new drops in SoO, you can find it HERE almost everything has haste on it. cap will be so damn easy to obtain...
    Afaik atm the stats are just buffed items from ToT (look for example at the helm/gloves)

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    found a non tier helm with haste n mastery so all isnt.
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  9. #3089
    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    Weapons are stat sticks. They really don't matter in the grand scheme. Shields are a bit more important, but honestly you can get 4 useful items from Lei Shen and miss out on nothing, or get 1 shield from Primo and a 3 in 4 chance of DODGE/PARRY LOOT, while also giving up BIS pieces.

    The Jinrohk belt is BIS. Primo gloves and ring are BIS. Twins has a better neck available for valor.

    You can stand by your recommendations, but that doesn't make them correct.
    SPA belt upgraded is better than the LFR Jinrohk belt as long as your not over hit cap reforged. I would say that you are incorrect as well.

  10. #3090
    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy View Post
    SPA belt upgraded is better than the LFR Jinrohk belt as long as your not over hit cap reforged. I would say that you are incorrect as well.
    This is the Crit/Mastery belt with 1 socket? Over the Haste/Mastery belt with 2?

    But you mention hit? Oh, wait....you mean the Hit/Dodge belt? Rofl, yes, please everyone, listen to this advice.

    Look, if you have your own opinions, that's fine. We all know that you don't like haste, don't think tanks should do damage, and don't have any real math to back up anything you say, just opinion and emotion. So, while we all enjoy reading what you think, please don't give advice to anyone about tanking.
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  11. #3091
    I'm sorry that you can't tell the difference between a 530 item compared to a 510. Math isn't hard.

  12. #3092
    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy View Post
    I'm sorry that you can't tell the difference between a 530 item compared to a 510. Math isn't hard.
    I'm sorry that all we're judging on is ilvl.

  13. #3093
    Time and time again it has always been stated that the current tier is almost always better than a lower tier. Considering the item level difference between an LFR and normals I'd say yes.

  14. #3094
    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    Well we had some god-among-men who was talking about how they don't use a HoPo bar because they track it all manually in their head, so you never know who might take something like that to heart!
    Bit late, but I'm glad you remember me Nairobi :3

    And thanks for calling me a god, it makes me feel like you didn't type that entire post in italic pink comic sans

  15. #3095
    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy View Post
    Time and time again it has always been stated that the current tier is almost always better than a lower tier. Considering the item level difference between an LFR and normals I'd say yes.
    I'm really not trying to be rude, or uncivil, but you've got no real argument or idea of what you're talking about. You're saying that a 530 Dodge/Hit belt with 1 socket is superior to a perfectly itemized Haste/Mastery one, with 2 sockets, simply because of 20 ilvl. Sure, the STR and Stam and armor is in the valor belt's favor, but that's where it stops. Entirely. The hit, which is a conditional cap that is very easily met/exceeded AND a blue-socket stat is the best that belt has going for it, and its only ~450. There is ~800 dodge (iirc) on there. You could reforge the dodge out, down to ~500 to get 300 haste (less than 1 gem). If you want to use a shit itemized piece, be my guest, but please don't give bad advice and then quote ilvl as your saving grace, as if there is some gospel rule about it.

    The ilvl "rule" is a personal preference. You have so many assertions, allegations, and arguments that are based on "math" that you never produce. Maybe you don't understand it, or maybe you just don't like the answer, but either way, that doesn't make it correct. When you have every successful paladin, ne, person doing any role/job telling you 1 thing, and you have an inexperienced or less successful novice giving peanut gallery comments, it doesn't help the discussion. Not trying to be rude, but there's a reason that everyone ahead of you in progress is doing it differently than yourself.

    Also - Hi Xs. I thought it may have been you, but you had been dark, and I didn't want to mis-quote. Good on you for tracking it, I just think I'd lose track of it with partial cast WOGs, fight mechanics and DP procs over the course of a fight
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  16. #3096
    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy View Post
    Time and time again it has always been stated that the current tier is almost always better than a lower tier. Considering the item level difference between an LFR and normals I'd say yes.
    570 Mastery (0.95), 864 Haste (2.03%)
    vs
    295 Stamina, 277 Strength , 201 Armor , 819 Dodge (0.93%), 582 Hit (1.71%)

    So really
    570 Mastery (0.95), 864 Haste (2.03%) vs 295 Stamina, 201 Armor ,582 Hit (1.71%)

    So i'd say the lfr is better.

  17. #3097
    Quote Originally Posted by kittycovox View Post
    found a non tier helm with haste n mastery so all isnt.
    Same stats as the crafted 522 helmet.

    By the way...

    Lightning Emperor's Faceguard

    Lightning Emperor's Handguards

    check which set they belong to (ignore the item names as they are obviously just place-holders)

    Haste. On PROTECTION tier.

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  18. #3098
    WAAAAAT.

    There must be some mistake...Hell, the gloves don't even have avoidance on there to compensate for haste!!

    Jesus, thats 2k haste on gloves for a BS.
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  19. #3099
    Quote Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
    Also - Hi Xs. I thought it may have been you, but you had been dark, and I didn't want to mis-quote. Good on you for tracking it, I just think I'd lose track of it with partial cast WOGs, fight mechanics and DP procs over the course of a fight
    Yeah I've been busy the last few weeks so MMO-C was last on my priorities

    And to be fair, I do still have a HP bar, I just keep track of it mentally and using MSBT's scrolling 1HP 2HP 3HP etc. things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post

    By the way...


    Haste. On PROTECTION tier.

    (>'-')> <('-'<) ^(' - ')^ <('-'<) (>'-')>

    I think.... i think.... "falls on the floor"

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