1. #5041
    BiS depends on build + preference.
    And most builds i'd say that prison > spark (you loose a little bit of health, but gain extra crit dmg +mastery) (with spark i need to gem for crit to stay < 50%

  2. #5042
    Hi, just a quick question so I don't have to dig through 254 pages. I'm gearing up a paladin alt. My main is 14/14H (though not a tank) so I anticipate doing some heroics with this toon eventually, and consider myself at a skill level commiserate to going for a haste build.

    My question is, since I'm stuck in LFR/flex for the moment: if I want haste gear, should I be loot specialized to ret, and then switch to prot for bosses which drop weapons/shields/trinkets?

  3. #5043
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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Hi, just a quick question so I don't have to dig through 254 pages. I'm gearing up a paladin alt. My main is 14/14H (though not a tank) so I anticipate doing some heroics with this toon eventually, and consider myself at a skill level commiserate to going for a haste build.

    My question is, since I'm stuck in LFR/flex for the moment: if I want haste gear, should I be loot specialized to ret, and then switch to prot for bosses which drop weapons/shields/trinkets?
    You should anyway really. But it's a boss-to-boss basis of which upgrade is bigger and/or would the other potential items I get be vendor-items or possible side/upgrades too.

  4. #5044
    Loot spec to protection for Nazgrim, Malkorok and Siegecrafter, pretty much everything else you can set it to retribution.

  5. #5045
    I'd stay ret on SC until i get the ring, since i can also get a nice wep off malk/klaxxi (granted can't coin roll it on malk i think)

  6. #5046
    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    I'd stay ret on SC until i get the ring, since i can also get a nice wep off malk/klaxxi (granted can't coin roll it on malk i think)
    For me it'd depend on the rest of the raid team as well, coin for whatever you have more competition on.

  7. #5047
    Quote Originally Posted by Lackluster View Post
    For me it'd depend on the rest of the raid team as well, coin for whatever you have more competition on.
    Just that weapon is the smallest upgrade possible when equiv ilvl.

  8. #5048
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    Need to vent a bit. I am trying to gear up my hunter a bit at the moment. So I did a pug earlier. I met a paladin tank that changed his seal to seal of truth instead of seal of insight because he needed more threat on Sha of Pride versus his warrior co-tank. The warrior tank also agreed that it was a great idea to switch to seal of truth.

    Now you might think, well this is common on LFR/Flex or whatever. Nononono. This was a 25 man heroic guild run with a few pugs (me being one of the pugs). This paladin seriously switched to Seal of Truth for Heroic 25 Sha of Pride for THREAT! I do not think I have facepalmed that hard in a long time.

  9. #5049
    I've seen 25H prot paladin have ~20% sotr uptime because "my healers can keep me up and i'm holding threat".
    #25SoHard

    P.S. Firefly i think you got added to my btag O.o

  10. #5050
    I can top that: 10H paladin tank I know has consistently sub 15% SotR uptimes accompanied by a shit ton of EF casts. I figured it was just due to ignorance about AM. Then I learned the truth: she was spending all of that HP to blanket EF the whole raid...
    Last edited by trystero; 2014-04-18 at 03:59 AM.

  11. #5051
    Quote Originally Posted by trystero View Post
    I can top that: 10H paladin tank I know has consistently sub 15% SotR uptimes accompanied by a shit ton of EF casts. I figured it was just due to ignorance about AM. Then I learned the truth: she was spending all of that HP to blanket EF the whole raid...
    I do that on sha :>
    Granted sha is so punishing on tank dmg :< (and helping our healers to not rank, is just too nice to pass on)

  12. #5052
    Idk, i use it since sha is so fun that i might as well alt-tab.
    And i like seeing ~10 green numbers pop up on my screen.
    (I think the last time i used EF raid blanket as required was :a)thok 2 heal progression b)garalon progression)

  13. #5053
    Quote Originally Posted by trystero View Post
    I can top that: 10H paladin tank I know has consistently sub 15% SotR uptimes accompanied by a shit ton of EF casts. I figured it was just due to ignorance about AM. Then I learned the truth: she was spending all of that HP to blanket EF the whole raid...
    Not like Sha can actually kill a tank either way. Back when we were progressing it and a wipe was called, it took me ages to die even when I was trying to get myself killed.

  14. #5054
    I've done selective "blanketing," too, namely IJ and Dark Shamans. But I'm talking every single fight.

  15. #5055
    25H Malkorok - 13% sotr uptime
    I'm actually watching that paladin and i honestly can't wait till he gets to thok and starts getting globaled.

  16. #5056
    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    25H Malkorok - 13% sotr uptime
    I'm actually watching that paladin and i honestly can't wait till he gets to thok and starts getting globaled.
    Is he solo-tanking Blood Phase? If so, good on the healers.

  17. #5057
    Quote Originally Posted by pld View Post
    Is he solo-tanking Blood Phase? If so, good on the healers.
    Looking at damage taken, no.

  18. #5058
    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    Looking at damage taken, no.
    You actually don't take a lot of damage during that phase courtesy of mitigation. A few weeks ago I was arguing that damage taken is a bad metric for tanks. I had planned to use Blood Rage as an illustration before noticing that I took less overall damage than my co-tank despite solo soaking Blood Rage (he pulls first). Most of the hits are pitiful, with only a few being like regular 25H white attacks.

    [22:01:39.350] Malkorok gains Blood Rage from Malkorok
    [22:01:39.350] Malkorok casts Blood Rage
    [22:01:40.871] Malkorok Blood Rage Trystero Absorb (894892)
    [22:01:42.463] Malkorok Blood Rage Trystero 346873 (A: 279552)
    [22:01:44.100] Malkorok Blood Rage Trystero 626424
    [22:01:45.706] Malkorok Blood Rage Trystero Absorb (248069)
    [22:01:46.926] Malkorok Blood Rage Trystero 57433 (A: 252652)
    [22:01:48.530] Malkorok Blood Rage Trystero 196476 (A: 113610)
    [22:01:50.090] Malkorok Blood Rage Trystero 290611 (A: 81492)
    [22:01:51.728] Malkorok Blood Rage Trystero 96720 (A: 275383)
    [22:01:52.960] Malkorok Blood Rage Trystero 41453 (A: 196694)
    [22:01:54.551] Malkorok Blood Rage Trystero 163077 (A: 75069)
    [22:01:56.174] Malkorok Blood Rage Trystero 17587 (A: 220559)
    [22:01:57.725] Malkorok Blood Rage Trystero 567014
    [22:01:58.998] Malkorok Blood Rage Trystero 404368 (A: 105945)
    [22:01:59.757] Malkorok's Blood Rage fades from Malkorok

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  20. #5060
    Is the guide here still up to date? I know it's late, but I may be tanking the rest of MoP (unexpectedly).

    I haven't really tanked since the first tier in Cata, so I'm a little behind.

    Thanks

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