1. #5621
    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    It says mop because we all miss veng and want it back.
    I don't. I wish they'd done away with it years ago. Should just have given all tanks damage scaling with secondary and primary stats like we have now from the start. All it did was promote the idea that it is ok to stand in bad stuff for more dps (to the point when we were using healer externals and big tank cooldowns to survive standing in or being hit by "killer" boss mechanics).

    I have nothing against trading survivability for damage output, mind. That's part of tanking. Standing in Annihilate for moar deeps shouldn't have been part of tanking.

    To put it another way: vengeance was a half-assed fix for a problem that should have been fixed properly (scaling threat generation and damage output with increasing gear level).
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  2. #5622
    But vengeance meant the DPS had an excuse when tanks beat them unlike now

  3. #5623
    Quote Originally Posted by Misume View Post
    But vengeance meant the DPS had an excuse when tanks beat them unlike now
    As if DPS needed another excuse for being shite?
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  4. #5624
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    Vengeance was fun only because it was interesting seeing how close you could get to dieing without seriously being in deep shit. Otherwise i am glad it's gone.
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  5. #5625
    Quote Originally Posted by Dastuross View Post
    Vengeance was fun only because it was interesting seeing how close you could get to dieing without seriously being in deep shit. Otherwise i am glad it's gone.
    It was fun because you could solo tank Windlord and top healing, damage and damage taken and basically make the whole rest of the raid feel redundant.

    Good times.

  6. #5626
    Does anyone here play prot DPS? I realise it's a gimmick, but I saw some people asking about it and got interested in trying it out. Anyone got any tips for it, or even better, has someone made a primer? I'd specifically want to know what the stat priority is, I imagine mastery is a lot worse when it only gives %AP? Thanks in advance.
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  7. #5627
    There is a prot DPS spec, its called Retribution. My understanding is that half the reason protection paladins are stacking crit for high DPS is the GC procs.

  8. #5628
    Quote Originally Posted by Dravan View Post
    There is a prot DPS spec, its called Retribution. My understanding is that half the reason protection paladins are stacking crit for high DPS is the GC procs.
    SS & SoI can crit

  9. #5629
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazel View Post
    SS & SoI can crit
    Sorry I wasn't clear, obviously crit has other benefits for tanking but I was talking from a purely DPS stand point.

  10. #5630
    Quote Originally Posted by Dravan View Post
    Sorry I wasn't clear, obviously crit has other benefits for tanking but I was talking from a purely DPS stand point.
    From a dps standpoint, crit makes stuff hit harder. And increases the chance for a GC proc.
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  11. #5631
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    From a dps standpoint, crit makes stuff hit harder. And increases the chance for a GC proc.
    Can the ticks from Censure crit?

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  13. #5633
    Quote Originally Posted by Ansekh View Post
    Yes

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    Then that is another additional benefit to dps from crit, along with GC procs and critical strikes as per usual.

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  15. #5635
    Quote Originally Posted by deathdkmaxtor View Post
    stats priority?
    BA > Mastery > Crit > Versatility

    or

    BA > Crit > Mastery > Versatility
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    And so, the mighty MoP thread can now retire, resting forevermore at the depths of the forum, knowing that it has done its duty.

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