World of Warcraft 2

[Oppressionix805]

this subject has been talked about alot in the past

and since WoW is down to 9 million subscribers, and the people who own stocks in Blizzard freaking out right now... [dunno why they're freaking out... but okay] is it time to Remake WoW, next gen graphics and making a totally revamped WoW?

first and foremost let me start by saying, please do not flame this is just asking what your opinion is on the subject! not whose is right and whose is wrong

so

1. Graphics
its outdated by 8 years now, and when it launched it was still outdated, but the graphics were ment to be cartoony! it gave it a great look from other mmo's
but is it time to say goodbye to old graphics? the answer imo is yes, everything moves on and changes, this franchise should too!

2. Story/Questing
this part should stay the same, Blizzard has been the leading story tellers in they're genre... the only thing I think they should take from other mmo's is SWTOR's questing it was fluid and kept me entertained, BLIZZ PICK THIS UP ASAP! also loved the choices SWTOR gave made being in a group fun

3. Raiding
no, it should literally stay the same as much as I hate to say this Blizzard has done some of the best raids to date for mmo's the one thing I wished to say is please keep coming up with new functions for raid battles, so its something fresh each time instead of something we've had todo over the past 8 years

4. Class Balance
I wish that testing patches would last longer than it does now, I know that even if a good patch was perfect in testing doesn't certify how it would do on live servers... but it wouldn't hurt to test thoroughly

5. to you, the readers! give me your list of what you'd like to see if WoW did a 2.0/revamp

[Frinata]

Lets go under the heading that this is something that can happen. Lets not bash and say "No it won't happen" as from what i'm reading, that isn't what is asked.

What I read is "If it were, what would you want fixed?"

For me, I would agree on Graphics, they are doing fixes on what they can without forcing you to buy a better computer (Their motto on graphics is that even the shittiest comp should be able to play Wow). But. I think they should 'keep' the current graphics, but offer a different engine to those who can handle it, nothing along the lines of crysis 2 or anything like that, but definitly something a little more involved. Even if it's just something more intense, such as blood spraying your screen when you crit as a melee, or things like that.

Questing... If it were to be remodeled, i'd like morale choices, as odd as that sounds. I haven't quested much in it, but Darkshore had a resemblance of it, with chosing which 'spirit' to 'attune' to, so you would get more damage, or more health, I don't remember, but I know I went with the bear, because fuck it. And it was a zone buff for as long as you are in Darkshore, and even when you return.

Balance... I'm sorry to say that this is something that won't be in a zen state. Even if they could find a way to balance a mage, they still have to worry about race benefits. Like the Gnomes, and so forth. It's one thing to balance a class on it's own, but you also have to factor in that some races just do it better. You can cap say, balance Arcane Blast so it dosen't go so hastey bomby, but then you got a goblin stacking haste, and the problem wasn't really fixed. I imagine the talent system they have going on will help allieve some of this.

Raiding... I would like to see a way to do a dungeon or raid 'alone' or with a choice ammount of friends, kind of like they do in Diablo, but you get the most benefit from being 10/25, such as only getting blues or dungeon level versions of the gear, if you brought 5 people, or 3 if you are weird, and 'quest' level ilvl versions if you solo somehow.

Not that some of this would happen, it's a what if game :3

[The unknown secret]

this subject has been talked about alot in the past

and since WoW is down to 9 million subscribers, and the people who own stocks in Blizzard freaking out right now... [dunno why they're freaking out... but okay] is it time to Remake WoW, next gen graphics and making a totally revamped WoW?

first and foremost let me start by saying, please do not flame this is just asking what your opinion is on the subject! not whose is right and whose is wrong

so

1. Graphics
its outdated by 8 years now, and when it launched it was still outdated, but the graphics were ment to be cartoony! it gave it a great look from other mmo's
but is it time to say goodbye to old graphics? the answer imo is yes, everything moves on and changes, this franchise should too!

2. Story/Questing
this part should stay the same, Blizzard has been the leading story tellers in they're genre... the only thing I think they should take from other mmo's is SWTOR's questing it was fluid and kept me entertained, BLIZZ PICK THIS UP ASAP! also loved the choices SWTOR gave made being in a group fun

3. Raiding
no, it should literally stay the same as much as I hate to say this Blizzard has done some of the best raids to date for mmo's the one thing I wished to say is please keep coming up with new functions for raid battles, so its something fresh each time instead of something we've had todo over the past 8 years

4. Class Balance
I wish that testing patches would last longer than it does now, I know that even if a good patch was perfect in testing doesn't certify how it would do on live servers... but it wouldn't hurt to test thoroughly

5. to you, the readers! give me your list of what you'd like to see if WoW did a 2.0/revamp

Can i say you are retarded?BECAUSE YOU ARE!
a mmo with 500k subscribers can sustain itself, a mmo with 1 milion subscribers is a proffitable mmo, a mmo with 9 milion well you understand.
and stop bitching about wow graphic. there is never going to be a wow2.

Mod Edit: No need to insult people and please try to be constructive.

[Worgoblin]

As said a million times before, WoW 2 will never happen. WoW is already drastically different from when it first launched, and will continue to evolve into whatever Blizz wants it to be.

[Blackmist]

We're already at WoW 4, soon 5.

WoW 2 was TBC.

[Pelz]

As said a million times before, WoW 2 will never happen.

As said by who? Random people who came to these forums and hijacked other people's threads? It may still take a while, but saying WoW 2 will never happen is blatantly ignorant (Already from a pure marketing point of view, WoW2 would have a much greater impact than releasing another expansion with updated engine). Besides, this thread wasn't about there going to be a WoW 2, but if the time for it has come and what you would like to see changed. There's absolutely no point in flaming the OP for these questions. It isn't about realism and about what will most likely happen, but about what you would like to see in there.

[Darkfie1d]

@OP There is absolutely no need for a World of Warcraft 2, everything you mentioned can be achieved by current engine. WoW still have one of the best engines out there, and the limitations in graphics are there by design. You'd wonder how many netbooks can run WoW and how many of the player base are using low end machines. Besides, let's look at some of the top of the line engines in today's MMO. Take SWTOR, high graphics, but more performance issues, you go from one door to other you spend some good minutes in the loading screen. you go to your ship you encounter loading screen, you go to another planet, loading screen, jumping off the ship again loading screen, from bay to world, loading screen, from continent to continent loading screen...

Haven't give Secret World a try yet so I dunno. I for one have no patience for too many loading screens.

Other points, story/questing, raiding and class balance if there's a desire too shake thing up, it's always possible to do so within the current engine as Blizzard is doing it in every expansion, no need to build everything up from scratch. So, not trying to be dismissive here but currently WoW has over 9 Million subscribers and even if it drops to one-third of the current subscribers it'll still be a successful MMO and actually have players subscribing to it. When you have a lot of player base who are happy and coming back to your product for over 7 years, and new people are joining in every day, there's absolutely no reason to go over the development length to build a new game on the same universe and same mechanics and gameplay style.

However that's where Titan comes in, project titan is Blizzard's next generation MMORPG title and not WoW 2. I'd rather they put quality time into that.

[Ventas]

I'm waiting on Warcraft 4 ;] but WoW 2, hmm I think we're now on WoW 1.5... or 1.45 they improved graphics on MoP, and some models in Cata. When Blizzard updates players models we will be able to talk about new WoW (when I look at model of my night elf or other pre-Cata race and at Worgren&Goblin, they look like they came from different game).

[vesseblah]

this subject has been talked about alot in the past

So why the new thread?

1. Graphics
its outdated by 8 years now, and when it launched it was still outdated, but the graphics were ment to be cartoony! it gave it a great look from other mmo's
but is it time to say goodbye to old graphics? the answer imo is yes, everything moves on and changes, this franchise should too!

Basically you like everything else except the graphics. It is not outdated, the engine has got many upgrades over the years. To be exact every single expansion has improved the graphics capacity of WoW. Do not mistake low quality models from 11 years back as an engine limitation.

Cartoony is a matter of aesthetics and the whole style of WoW, not an engine limitation. All Blizzard games are more aimed for the cartoony feel than striving for absolute realism, so you aren't gonna get anything different anytime soon.


Also Everquest proved that sequel to existing MMORPG will be an epic fail. Blizzard will not repeat that mistake.

[Guntha]

isnt the graphics been updated in MoP

i was on the PTR yesterday and the game looked far sharper and better than it does when i play the normal version, i no the system requierments have been updated to more adavanced hardware.

as for wow 2

id like to see a starcraft mmo

[Klingers]

Seriously, compare Pandaria to the Westfall of 2004. Have a walk around Westfall as a Worgen mage. Take into account texture rendering, view distances, quest design, polycounts of new models, the sound engine, vehicles, sunshafts, high-detail water effects, particle density and spell effects, weather effects, volumetric lighting, every single UI improvement made to the game over eight years... Do I need to go on? None of that was in the WoW I started playing.

Logically, we'll go a bit further yet... But WoW 2 is going to be WoW 1 6.0 or 7.0. Launching an entire new box product and throwing away everyone's character progression won't happen at this point. It's too risky for the marketplace and too big a turnoff for their existing customers.

Blizzard won't want to keep two WoW games running in parallel, it's an almost unfeasible concept that in today's oversaturated F2P shitware market to build up a new subscriber base of 9-10 million paying players with high retention rates. Blizzard aren't going to discount what they've got. Why release a "true sequel" to WoW, have to re-make all the original contents again, deal with negative feedback from customers, try and build up a new subscriber base without alienating your existing clients by switching off content, for a $70 "new game"? Why do that when you can keep making iterative improvements and get your existing subscribers to all buy a $50 expansion instead?

My personal opinion is that we'll just keep seeing iterative technology improvements, model overhauls for the legacy content and eventually some kind of fast-track leveling system to bypass sections of content.

[Anevers]

I do not think we will ever see a WoW 2 like you think. We will see some re branding and enhancements in some expansions. I think Cata and MoP will be the closest thing you will get to a new game.

One of reasons you will not see this happen is because of Everquest. When Everquest 2 came out, they effectively had divided their player base. It caused them nothing but problems in the end by having Everquest and Everquest 2. They could not stop supporting Everquest and force everyone to go out and purchase Everquest 2.

I am neither surprised nor worried about a million subs lost, it is the slow time of an expansion so it was bound to happen, we will see a surge in the first months of MoP, and the question will be Can Blizzard keep those players. Another thing to note, is that I've heard that the Sub Model for China and other Eastern Nations is different than ours, (not a 100% sure) but it may be adding minutes to a prepaid phone plan. If someone could verify this for me, I would appreciate it.

[Frinata]

...Nice to see that my post, as usual, gets glossed over. He isn't being literal. It's a what if. You guys are getting hung up on the idea that it's a literal question. We all know it more then likely won't happen, but lets suppose it will, and you had a say in what changes; What would you change?

[Babaganouch]

We're already at WoW 4, soon 5.

WoW 2 was TBC.

Stupidest thing of today, guess you call DLCs for games such as Fallout 3, Fallout 4,5,6,7,8 etc etc.

ot:
I could picture "WoW2" coming out in 20 years or so. The story have to evolve ALOT (Outside of the whole MMO-Genre) before Blizzard should even bother.

Change wise, I want a more interactive world, and not so much of a hub-based system like it is today. Remove Queues all together, make all Battlegrounds an open area like WG or "lolharad" but starting once every 5 minute, and once you've entered the staging area, you'll phase together 10-40 other players. Likewise with dungeons, make them interactive and remove the whole Zoning part. Take UK for example, w/o a portal, and once you've gone the "portal", you and your group will seemlessly zone into the dungeon.

[FuxieDK]

We're already at WoW 4, soon 5.

WoW 2 was TBC.

QFT

/10 char

[Beefhamer]

As said by who?

As said by EQ2. Since many people have years invested in their characters, guilds, and online friends in WoW the chances of a majority of them leaving to start all over again in a newer game that would most likely require them to do a few upgrades to their PCs to bring them up to higher specs for graphics concerns is unlikely. Sony thought since EQ was huge, and it was the biggest MMO with less than 500k subs, that they would flock to EQ2 and they didn't.

Blizz is smart enough to constantly make updates to their engine to add upgrades to their art style but not change it. And to make another MMO that is not slated to compete with WoW. Whether you hate WoW or not it is the best MMO out there, it tries to correct mistakes and improve upon the formula all the time which is why it is so successful and why we will not see a WoW2.

[Asmodias]

...Nice to see that my post, as usual, gets glossed over. He isn't being literal. It's a what if. You guys are getting hung up on the idea that it's a literal question. We all know it more then likely won't happen, but lets suppose it will, and you had a say in what changes; What would you change?

Personally, I would be happy about my posts getting glossed over. It means that the trolls can't find anything wrong with it.

If I could change anything... Hmmm. Well, first off, I would obliterate a race or two. Just poof them out of existence. For example, the Draenei decide that it's time to go home and clean up their world. The Goblins decide that there isn't enough profit in helping the horde, so they bail and become neutral again. The gnomes... well, we should all be obliterated because Uldum proved it was fun. (Yes, I am a gnome) There would be interesting tidbits from Archeology that surround the removed races, but that's about it.

I would give the character models a once over. Giving all of the races a more complex skeletal system. (like the pandaren have)

I would like to see travel to some of the other worlds around Azeroth. Maybe an engineer tries to make a teleporter... and instead fails miserably. Only to discover that they have made a portal to other worlds.

I would love to see a statue in the middle of Orgrimmar... It would read "Hear lies Kael'thas" and the statue depicts him riding a T-Rex that is riding a Shark that has Lasers on its head.

I would love to see the Caverns of Time used for more raids. Allow us to go back and see the War of the Ancients or the War of the Shifting Sands. I mean, Blizzard (well, writers that are contracted by Blizzard) have come up with some really nifty lore. While it's okay with me to just read it... I would much rather experience it.

I might even enjoy seeing something like a cross class system put into place. Allowing for our toons to learn other disciplines. Granted that would probably just lead to so much Munchkin that it wouldn't work out.

I would like to see a PvP system like Guild Wars has. Players can chose to make PvE or PvP characters. There are realms for each. Those realms focus solely on one or the other. PvP characters would start at max level and have starter gear. More gear is earned through PvP. The gear is specific to PvP. The world is designed for PvP only. No aspects of the PvE world are there. For the PvE world... flip it. You have leveling, dungeons, raids and what not. But no PvP at all.

Finally, and this one is a personal want because I never got to see it... I want a BG like the Vanilla Alterac Valley. Maybe not so much in the "ITS THE SAME BG FROM 3 DAYS AGO... WHY WON'T IT END?" but more along the lines of summons being worth while, things that make the match feel alive.

That's what I would do if I had a say in a potential WoW 2.

[greysinsanderson]

better graphics = fewer subs

it was estimated in an article once that if they upped their graphics to "good quality", not cutting edge, they'd lose about 65% of their subs because people couldn't play on a lot of laptops and dells

wow is headed in one direction, include everyone in everything and wow 2 would be the same

[Shiny212]

As hard as it is to believe I think that the answer to retrieving the lost subs would be ingame fixes and changes to the philosophy of blizzard. Basically a return to WOTLK values would boost the subs immensely. As for the impending turmoil of pandas becoming a reality that's really too late to change isn't it. They are bound to attract more players, younger players, and bound to lose some players, older players, as they've been doing continuously for some time. But unless the curve in WoW returns to WOTLK/TBC standards, the game just won't sustain its endgame well enough to house 12million+. When you make everyone get the gold medal regardless of their performance no one has fun. And the fun in WoW wasn't so much getting the reward, but working towards it. Take that away and the game doesn't last as long, becomes less fun, and people are burnt out faster.

[The Kao]

A WoW 2 primarily for the sake of updated graphics? As if that was needed.

If they really make a second Warcraft MMO it would have to deviate almost entirely from WoW. Different world, different gameplay, different classes and abilities, different concepts of dungeons, raids, challenges, questing, it would have to be entirely different and new or it would be just the same thing. Ask that yourself - would you really like to start all over again, paying full price, knowing that what you buy is essentially the same thing you've had everyday for 10 or 12 years?
If they can't deliver innovation, they're better off milking the original WoW with like 30 expansions. At least then the majority of players wouldn't expect too much change.

But as recent disasters like SWTOR or D3 show, you won't win the gold cup by just half-heartedly copying old concepts and smoothing the lack of innovation over with strong licences and nice graphics, and the longer they keep stretching original WoW's lifespan the more true this will be for a WoW 2 in the coming years.