Rogue class ignored

[Archimand]

how about throwing some ideas for the devs

Blindside
Performing a successful Mutilate has a 30% chance of leaving you in an advantageous position, enabling the use of Dispatch with no energy cost, regardless of the enemy target's health. 2 charges

[redderz1]

how about throwing some ideas for the devs

Blindside
Performing a successful Mutilate has a 30% chance of leaving you in an advantageous position, enabling the use of Dispatch with no energy cost, regardless of the enemy target's health. 2 charges

Ideas are always welcome. But historically we know what devs do with our ideas.

A 2 50 page threads on US forums plus many other rogue threads. Scores of Rogue threads on EU forums. Literally hundreds of constructive posts full of well reasoned arguments and ideas for giving the class variation and fun back.

All of which pretty much dismissed with "we disagree".

Blizzard got lucky with rogues. They smacked us down to a level and left us there. It just so happened that we were sat at their target PvE dps (or very close). A few % on ability X and Y and we're done.

I don't think that Blizzard has thought through much of how our nerfs or how our damage is distributed will actually effect us in PvP. They're more than happy to set our PvE dps at target and then worry about rogues not actually participating in PvP a couple of months into MoP.

[marcelos11]

Ideas are always welcome. But historically we know what devs do with our ideas.

A 2 50 page threads on US forums plus many other rogue threads. Scores of Rogue threads on EU forums. Literally hundreds of constructive posts full of well reasoned arguments and ideas for giving the class variation and fun back.

All of which pretty much dismissed with "we disagree".

Blizzard got lucky with rogues. They smacked us down to a level and left us there. It just so happened that we were sat at their target PvE dps (or very close). A few % on ability X and Y and we're done.

I don't think that Blizzard has thought through much of how our nerfs or how our damage is distributed will actually effect us in PvP. They're more than happy to set our PvE dps at target and then worry about rogues not actually participating in PvP a couple of months into MoP.

Most the Time rogue ideas get given to other classes.
we wanted a gap closer where we pulled ourselves to the target. Death Knights get a reverse version of it called Death Grip
We wanted Combo Points to stack on the rogue - Paladins get Holy Power, Shadow Priests get Shadow Orbs.

Etc

[Linneth]

Any news on Kick having an energy cost while Pummel and Skull Bash having theirs removed? Rebuke and Wind Shear retain their mana cost, but we all know they have no mana problems.

[Eein]

I feel like rogues are getting very little attention from game developers. Every other class is getting a ton of changes on the beta, while rogue, the weakest class on the beta, isn't even getting a single sentence.

Anyone else feel this way?

Didn't keep up with this thread, but Rogue is definitely not the weakest class on the beta.
Sorry you feel that way.

[madrox]

Any news on Kick having an energy cost while Pummel and Skull Bash having theirs removed? Rebuke and Wind Shear retain their mana cost, but we all know they have no mana problems.

Rogues don't tank.

[Linneth]

Rogues don't tank.

That's why Monks also have an energy cost tied to their interrupt?

[redderz1]

Didn't keep up with this thread, but Rogue is definitely not the weakest class on the beta.
Sorry you feel that way.

I'd love to know which class you think IS the weakest.

[Incineration]

Didn't keep up with this thread, but Rogue is definitely not the weakest class on the beta.
Sorry you feel that way.

For the thousandth time...
We do NOT care about numbers!
We care about design! Something Blizz has been VERY conservative with regarding the rogue class...

[Tommo]

For the thousandth time...
We do NOT care about numbers!
We care about design! Something Blizz has been VERY conservative with regarding the rogue class...

Yeah having an insanely easy and hilariously fun class to play with very few faults is such a tradegy... Try enjoying your class rather than whining about design faults that every other class has aswell. <--- from someone who has a rogue and loves facerolling people on it.

[Linneth]

Yeah having an insanely easy and hilariously fun class to play with very few faults is such a tradegy... Try enjoying your class rather than whining about design faults that every other class has aswell. <--- from someone who has a rogue and loves facerolling people on it.

If you don't want to read rogues complaining about their class, the Hunter forum is 5 sub-forums above.

I have every class at 85 and I don't feel entitled to accuse people of whining because of my own experience with a class that I don't have played as long as others have.

[Tommo]

If you don't want to read rogues complaining about their class, the Hunter forum is 5 sub-forums above.

I dont see why rogues complain in the first place, most classes in PvE are boring, have you ever played a rogue in PvP though? They are hella fun, I simply dont understand why people complain.

[Incineration]

Yeah having an insanely easy and hilariously fun class to play with very few faults is such a tradegy... Try enjoying your class rather than whining about design faults that every other class has aswell. <--- from someone who has a rogue and loves facerolling people on it.

If playing a rogue is easy for you, or you're having no difficulties (Unless you're playing Combat...) roflstomping people, you must be:
1. Playing against retards
2. Not having done any serious PVE or PVP
3. Not have any insight on the class

Hell, the fact that you're in the minority of people; The people who think "we're just fine" and problems don't matter because everyone has them; is rather reflective of how much insight you seem to have.

Can't think of any other pure class that only has 1 viable PVE spec.
Can't think of any other pure class that has NO viable spec for PVP, come MOP.
Can't think of any other pure class that lacks in spec identity.
Can't think of any other pure class that lacks spec differentiation.
Can't think of any other pure class that is as reliant on passive damage.
Can't think of any other pure class that has gotten as few changes as us.

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I dont see why rogues complain in the first place, most classes in PvE are boring, have you ever played a rogue in PvP though? They are hella fun, I simply dont understand why people complain.

That's called an opinion, last time I checked, because I find many classes/specs to be very entertaining in PVE.

[wow]

I dont see why rogues complain in the first place, most classes in PvE are boring, have you ever played a rogue in PvP though? They are hella fun, I simply dont understand why people complain.

This statement reeks of live, beta rogues are a complete joke in pvp and not fun at all.

[Sendai]

I dont see why rogues complain in the first place, most classes in PvE are boring, have you ever played a rogue in PvP though? They are hella fun, I simply dont understand why people complain.

Do you realize we're talking about MOP here?

[xxf2dxx]

Do you realize we're talking about MOP here?

What? You expect people to read more than the title? Come on now, that's just not fair to them.

[Linneth]

Do you realize we're talking about MOP here?

I suppose he doesn't know about the change to Sanguinary Vein, the absolute and complete lack of burst or sustained dps for that matter, the increased CD on almost all defensive abilities, having the old cataclysm pve rotation forced on a pvp environment (SnD, Recuperate, Rupture and, somehow, getting enough combo points to use Eviscerate and Kidney when needed) and all that while other classes are getting new stuff that will make rogues more kiteable than a hunter pet.

Pd. I almost forgot, Rupture got renewed when you used eviscerate, which on mop is no longer true, so we have a harder version of the supposedly most complex rotation in PvE with expansion-entry gear on a PvP environment with moving targets

[Edlarel]

Stepping in to say that I am 1 person who appreciates where rogues are at the moment and where they're going in MOP. Yes, I've played the Beta, and no I'm not in a world top 10 guild. I like the class and will continue to play it now as I did in Vanilla, BC, Wrath, and Cata.

[Kourvith]

They've stated a few times that rogues were mostly created by people that no longer work at Blizzard and that the workings of a rogue is like the inside of a fancy watch. Blizzard no longer has the required "watch makers" to tweak/improve them.

Ah, so I wasn't far from the truth after all.
It thickens my crazy theories
(which wouldn't be so crazy at all, considering the world we're living in)
----->

Moreover : There are so few changes in every WoW XPAC for Rogues that I really started to act conspirationist. Because when some fact becomes a constant for years, there has to be a pattern beneath it.
The craziest theories run on my mind about that lack of changes ....
Most crazy of them being that the Rogue design was patented during Vanilla, the owner left Blizzard, and now requires to have full control on any change. Or maybe patented by another game studio ... I don't know... But it's clearly not normal.

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Anyway, don't mean to be blunt or trolling, but actually the Rogue chances I wanted to see for 4 years in order to enjoy fresh new mechanics .... They're not in WoW, they're the Thief in GW2.
(only 11 days to go baby, yay !)

[alanexe]

I feel like rogues are getting very little attention from game developers. Every other class is getting a ton of changes on the beta, while rogue, the weakest class on the beta, isn't even getting a single sentence.

Anyone else feel this way?

At least You will get buffed in next couple of patches and then You will rule as always in pve/pvp/arena

How about us, poor enhancement shamans ?We got something but nothing spectacular , imho we will never shine