Another RAF monk thread-Breeding bad monks

[alemaite]

I'm more annoyed by the fact that RAF monks are still eligible for realm firsts...

Blue post here.

Now that I disagree with since anyone who is going for realm first will have to use RaF.

[Sanguinare]

raf for realm first monk so who cares monks need to do 10 levels and every one else has 5 the person that gets it will do every thing they can to get it log on as soon as they can take the day off work/school pre-download or even RAF a new account to boost a level 1 to 80 instant how is that worse then any other thing they will do most people going for realm first will still need to level 2 80s i think gather level 80 gear and are flat out giving up any chance at any other server first.

[Darkhallows]

The entire game changes at 85/90. Lower levels essentially teach you nothing, since everything I've ever learned about my class no matter what xpac, I learned at max level. Any Monk (That'll include me) that wants to play their class to the fullest will know everything about their class when they need to know it.

However, I AM upset that Monks can still get realm firsts using RAF. Like seriously...

[Alixie]

Im a firm believer in anyone that spends a decent amount of time with a class, will learn that class well enough. I guess your reasoning means all the premade 85-90 of monks leveled are ALL baddies that know jack about their class right?

[nyc81991]

Raf does NOT give you a level 80. Like others have said, That is the Scroll.

[Celentes]

RaF gives you free on-demand levels for every 2 levels gained by the referral, up to the level of referral, up to level 80.

[xerus]

Now that I disagree with since anyone who is going for realm first will have to use RaF.

Anyone serious about realm first monk already planned to use it if they were able to. If you think otherwise, you're kidding yourself.

[Hyrican]

[QUOTE=Celentes;17919062]RaF gives you free on-demand levels for every 2 levels gained by the referral, up to the level of referral, up to level 80.[/QUOTEE]

Exactly.


So RAF users have to level one character to 80 (and "veterans" could experience the old new content before MOP) and another one to 40 and another one to 20 to boost a lvl10 pandaren monk to 80...

So it is a real timesaver? WHAT? There is no free instant level up.. someone really has to play with the RAF Account and not only a few hours, instead of beeing one of the bored people that quit before march 2012 and want an instant boost to 80 monk with Scroll of Resurrection.

The only reason one would do RAF for oneself is so the other people in your raidgroup won't have to wait for you to level up in the first week.

I agree with the argument about server first class achievement though. Just remove that part with RAF accounts (if you dont use the granting levels the 3times xp boost includes quests and is completely nuts to level)

But please don't throw stones at players who want to raid in the 2nd week but have a job. They can prepare with RAF on their own schedule instead of having to play a ridiculous amount of time at launch week.

[Volitar]

You don't need to level a class to know how to play it. I leveled my mage by hard casting pyroblast and one shotting mobs. Do you think it would be a good idea to apply that information to raiding and just chain cast pyroblast because it hits really hard? You can spent 15 mins looking at a guide and become decent at any spec in the game no matter how 'hard' it is.

[Rakatashi]

You need to lvl from 1- to max lvl to know your class to its fullest.

No. And most people who level on their own still don't know their class to it's fullest.

[Celentes]

Our guild was going to level a monk 24/7 in the first week to get it raid-ready by the second week. Seems like we won't have to go that hard.

[PowerGamez]

I've seen a portion of the player base (~20%) through LFR/LFD/BGs who still have no clue how to play their class. Extending the time one spends playing a character does not necessitate an improving player.

[Madisyn]

I don't need to level from 1 in order to know my class to the fullest, hell I can use ONE spell most of the time while leveling and then sit with a guide for a few minutes and know exactly how to play my class to the fullest extent, including how to gem and reforge, and what enchants I need. Do I actually do that? I did with my Mage way back when I leveled her...

That being said, Blizz is practically hand feeding any class in Mists with the way the new spell book layout is. They have a tab at the bottom of the spell book that says "Core Abilities" It's there for each and every class and every single spec in the game and is more than enough information for anyone to comprehend in order to learn how to play their class somewhat and if they can't, then it's on them and not anyone else. If you get grouped with them, either offer them some advice about how to play or leave the group...not that hard to do.

There will always be "bad" players no matter if they leveled from 1-85 (and in the case of MoP to 90) or from 80-85(90), even if those players will sit and read a guide, they might be confused with all of it and not know what to do. Then you have those players that will read the same guide and come out to be one of the best players you have in your raid.

I'll be honest, I have no intention of leveling a Monk through old world content. As soon as I saw the confirmation post about RaF, I immediately activated my RaF. It seriously doesn't take long to hit 80 with RaF. That huge xp bonus when partnered with the person you're linked to is amazing and makes for a quick level 80 on both accounts.

I'll have my second 80 (or 4th considering I recruited myself) by the time the weekend is over and will still have another 2 level 40 toons on the recruited accounts. So basically by next week, I'll have 2 level 80s and 2 lvl 40s on the RaF account. Then will have an additional 2 80s on my main account on top of the 8 85s I already have on that specific realm. And yes, those 8 85s were all leveled from 1 without the use of LFD or RaF, so I feel like it's time for me to have a break on leveling another toon through old world content even if it come at the cost of $9.98 for Battlechest + WotLK.

My Monk will go from level 1-80 within minutes of MoP launching and I will be on my merry way leveling through crappy Cata zones and onto the new zones in Mists and won't think twice about taking the initiative and using a RaF account in order to do it.

If by chance my other guild needs me to play a Monk (weekend raiding guild on a diff server), then I will activate another RaF account in order to be able to grant that Monk levels to 80, that's how strongly I feel about not wanting to level through old content again.

It doesn't bother me if the person that reaches realm first used RaF in order to get there the quickest. It's not like every other player in game doesn't have the same opportunity to do so. I understand some players may not want to do it, or they simply can't afford it, but that shouldn't prevent other players from doing it just because they have the means to do so.

[underdogba]

I am going to stand by what I always said. You need to lvl from 1- to max lvl to know your class to its fullest. This is going to get to me so much that were going to have people that have yet to step foot into the BETA that will have lvl 80 pandas and not know how to play them.

I think it's kind of embarrassing to have posted this, yet your prot pally armory shows both a runspeed enchant and 2/2 Pursuit of Justice.

So much for knowing your class to its fullest.

[DemoBytom]

I am going to stand by what I always said. You need to lvl from 1- to max lvl to know your class to its fullest.

That.. is.. so.. much.. bullshit.. o-O

I leveled my warlock from lv 1 to 80 in wrath by playing SL/SL affliction with incinerate filler.. At level cap I knew basically nothing about how this class really works, since I've done 0 dungeons on my way there.. I've learned it all from elitist jerks, guild and raiding with them..

I leveled my Palading to lv 80 in Wrath as Holy, never respecced during the process.. I did a lot of dungeons (LFD was available), though I knew nothing about both tanking and DPSing - both of which I learned at max level when I needed it..

I leveled my DK as Blood, never touched frost or unholy.. Actually I've specced frost for the first time about 1.5 tier after reaching level cap in Cata - when my guild needed a mele DPS not a tank.. I learned the rotation on the fly 30 mins before the raid. Week later I topped metters >.>'
What's more I learned more about blood tanking when I started soloing old stuff than during all the time spend on leveling and even raiding at lv cap... Only during soloing I learned how do you properly roll you CDs, how to time your attacks, avoid stuff etc..

This is going to get to me so much that were going to have people that have yet to step foot into the BETA that will have lvl 80 pandas and not know how to play them.

And? There are gazillion bad players out there.. TO learn a class you need to do research and read about your class. Just leveling up teaches you shit.
Bad players are bad because they refuse to learn, not because they skipped leveling. Bad players are those who don't listen to advices and refuse to look up the class they play.

Ok your turn. This also pertains to buying your person from E-Bay and other account things. You can always tell if they did it.

No you don't.. I personally know so many players that leveled to max level, yet my felhunter was outdpsing them..

Do you think you can learn your class from lvl 80 to 90?...Remember if you RAF you get so many skills its not funny.

Of course I can. I turned on Beta, rolled lv 85 premade monk, looked through his abilites and played him. It's not rocket science o_O Today there are so many sources on the Net where you can read about your class,t hat i already know the rotation for WW monk, even though I never specced into it o-O

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I prefer turtles..

[lios]

Raf does NOT give you a level 80. Like others have said, That is the Scroll.

No one says it does, but you can level two characters to 80 BEFORE MoP goes live and instantly ding your new monk to 80... Kind of the same, isn't it?

Exactly.

So RAF users have to level one character to 80 (and "veterans" could experience the old new content before MOP) and another one to 40 and another one to 20 to boost a lvl10 pandaren monk to 80...

You can just level 2 chars to level 80 and grant levels to your monk from 1 to 80... No need to wait to level 10.

[Naaw]

Just think of all the mindless DK's running around in the first, say month of WotLK...
Most of them leveled the required 25levels wich are the "whole journey" for DK's as they start at 55.
They still got to learn every skill separately a level at a time.

Did they know how to play ? Some did, most NO. In most cases their ghoul was smarter than the DK.

The ppl that use RaF levels are mostly HC players who has still leveled alot of different classes and if they want to spend extra money just to get the start over with as soon as possible they are more adapt for learning faster.

Of course there will be the ones that don't know how to play, but leveling 1-90 won't change that matter. They are just slower learners or declare themselves so casual they don't like to read a specific guide and just play their own style.

[muffyo]

I made an account just to post this, with three main points.

1) Leveling a class from 1-80 teaches you nothing. I've changed between almost every class via trading accounts and managed to learn the class in days, if not hours, and by the time I've been playing for a week or two I've just about got that class/spec down 100%. The most you are going to learn from is end game content, and high level pvp.

2) Anyone serious about server firsts would of already taken the initiative and began to prepare correctly, with a RaF account, two level 80s to grant levels and a full set for your monk for when he hits 81, I know I have. (the reason I picked to level toons to 80 is for professions also.

3) Stop whining because you can't afford two accounts/subs and get a real job.

[razski]

I disagree wholeheartedly. You don't learn how to play a class 1-85, or even 90, you learn how to level with that class. Raiding with it is completely different, THAT you learn at cap.

[Tavin]

RAF doesn't make level 80 toons. That's Scroll of Resurrection, which monks cannot benefit from. Recruit a friend just gives you bonus experience when you're in a party with the account you recruited, and only up to level 60.

So you need to be in a party and close to them at all times to get the extra exp? ffs