Team Fortress 2: Mann vs. Machine

[Ralamus]

i recently found out about video achievements and rewards so i immediately entered a server and recorded my first spawn in there.

im going for the youtube-views achievement hat so you should all click my video, then whether you actually watch it or not is up to you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndtqCE33NjE&feature=plcp

[Larath]

a tip, use the recorder to change into 3rd person mode, atleast with spy I've found that the disguise smoke ruins so much :P

[Ralamus]

a tip, use the recorder to change into 3rd person mode, atleast with spy I've found that the disguise smoke ruins so much :P

yeah i noticed the disguise smoke was annoying, and i found it weird that it doesn't display my hud or anything. i'll have to work around it in the future i suppose. i realize the clip's not that great and i only did a few trickstabs in it but it seemed suitable enough to put up for my first one

[BoomChickn]

Before I got my full Strange loadout for Pyro, I was 50% Medic, 50% Heavy. Nowdays, it's 90% Pyro. I love me some Pyro action. Only problem is with Degreaser + Axtinguisher + Flaregun means I can't do anything to an enemy Pyro that has a brainstem.

Go with attendant set + reserve shooter. Works just as well and you can murder the living hell out of other pyros with airblast+ reserve shooter

[Ralamus]

Go with attendant set + reserve shooter. Works just as well and you can murder the living hell out of other pyros with airblast+ reserve shooter

isn't the attendant set the one that gives 10% more bullet vulnerability though? is that actually worth the 10% movement increase and the loss of an axtinguisher?

[BoomChickn]

isn't the attendant set the one that gives 10% more bullet vulnerability though? is that actually worth the 10% movement increase and the loss of an axtinguisher?

I would say so. The 10% movement speed lets you chase down just about anyone and with pyro facing bullet weapons, either you will kill or be killed when facing bullets in the first place. The only area where it is a real loss is scouts (And a good scout will kill you anyway) and soldiers using their shotguns imo. Heavies will roll right over you and any other classes using bullets will die quickly.

As to loss of the axtinguisher... I find I have enough spike damage with reserve shooter doing 120 damage a shot off of airblasts. Axtinguisher is mostly a heavy killing weapon if you run with the reserve shooter, and I just prefer to harass them.

[Insanoflex]

you are never going to dominate everyone and it doesnt matter the class or loadout.. i very rarely play on a server where im faced with multiple one on ones for the whole duration of the fight. my preference when im pyro is degreaser, detonator, and axtinguisher.. yes you may lose pyro one on ones if both have full hp and decide to fight but overall i think it gives far better protection against scouts and solys which outweigh the cons.

[icedwarrior]

Go with attendant set + reserve shooter. Works just as well and you can murder the living hell out of other pyros with airblast+ reserve shooter

Honestly, I don't mind losing to Pyros when I can easily Compression Blast + run away if I face one. In regards to other classes, I don't fear *any* other class. I feel that a Heavy has a slightly higher chance to kill me than I can kill him, but really, who can say that they have an advantage against a Heavy, I mean really?

I would say so. The 10% movement speed lets you chase down just about anyone and with pyro facing bullet weapons, either you will kill or be killed when facing bullets in the first place. The only area where it is a real loss is scouts (And a good scout will kill you anyway) and soldiers using their shotguns imo. Heavies will roll right over you and any other classes using bullets will die quickly.

As to loss of the axtinguisher... I find I have enough spike damage with reserve shooter doing 120 damage a shot off of airblasts. Axtinguisher is mostly a heavy killing weapon if you run with the reserve shooter, and I just prefer to harass them.

Who needs 10% movement when you move 100% default, and have the Flare Gun? Not to mention you can Compression the enemy into a wall, making movement speed worthless. And, while you're running them down, you can Compress nearly anything they throw at you. Honestly, I don't lose to Scouts often, and in the process I will have at least inflicted a burn, most likely killing him soon afterward. In regards to the Reserve Shooter, I muuuuuch prefer the Axtinguisher, as it crits for 195, and requires the same (or perhaps even less) setup. Derp. That replaces the Flare Gun. Well, I think the ability to deal 45 initial damage on top of a DoT, and if you can hit them again for 90 and a DoT (which is very likely, as many people simply cannot evade) outweighs the shotgun.

you are never going to dominate everyone and it doesnt matter the class or loadout.. i very rarely play on a server where im faced with multiple one on ones for the whole duration of the fight. my preference when im pyro is degreaser, detonator, and axtinguisher.. yes you may lose pyro one on ones if both have full hp and decide to fight but overall i think it gives far better protection against scouts and solys which outweigh the cons.

"You are never going to dominate everyone and it doesn't matter the class or loadout"....what does that mean? Are you implying that because you cannot dominate everyone, it doesn't matter what you do? That completely undermines your entire argument, not to mention doesn't make any sense. Of course certain weapons, loadouts, and classes are going to fare better than others. In regards to your preference, I do agree that that is what is "best", but replace your Detonator with a Flare Gun, as the Detonator only minicrits, while the Flare Gun crits. The ability to detonate yourself provides very little benefit, and I would much prefer doing 90 damage as opposed to...60? I don't remember.

[Ralamus]

so i broke the 20,000 kills mark on my main knife last night

[Insanoflex]

"You are never going to dominate everyone and it doesn't matter the class or loadout"....what does that mean? Are you implying that because you cannot dominate everyone, it doesn't matter what you do? That completely undermines your entire argument, not to mention doesn't make any sense. Of course certain weapons, loadouts, and classes are going to fare better than others. In regards to your preference, I do agree that that is what is "best", but replace your Detonator with a Flare Gun, as the Detonator only minicrits, while the Flare Gun crits. The ability to detonate yourself provides very little benefit, and I would much prefer doing 90 damage as opposed to...60? I don't remember.

it means whatever the loadout you use there is always going to be something which can destroy it.. how is that difficult to understand. There are no perfect classes, the game is balanced brilliantly and talking about X loadouts being good again X loadouts is less than half the story.. because map, player skill, other players around etc etc all contribute to the outcome of a fight hence the game being called team fortress.. so unless we are doing some 1v1 duels its all hypothetical rantings of oh this worked well once but on another day same loadout might kick your ass.

you can detonate close to someone for multiple targets being hit, and if you miss slightly still doing damage with the detonate.. so its not as clear cut as doing less dmg on burning targets or being able to jump higher (which is great for alot of maps btw and can mean way more ambushes).

[Larath]

I don't even have 200 I think on my botkiller knife :P

being able to light alot of people on fire and detonator jump up places you can't otherwise makes me use scorch shot and detonator alot more then the flaregun, basically if your not doing alot of killing with the flaregun, you might aswell use the scorch shot/deto since they are better if your not doing the killing and obviously the ax.

[icedwarrior]

so i broke the 20,000 kills mark on my main knife last night

[IMG]http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa72/spawncamping/twentythou.jpg[IMG]

And I was victim #20,000! I feel honored!

being able to light alot of people on fire and detonator jump up places you can't otherwise makes me use scorch shot and detonator alot more then the flaregun, basically if your not doing alot of killing with the flaregun, you might aswell use the scorch shot/deto since they are better if your not doing the killing and obviously the ax.

First off, again, I'll state that I exclusively play CtF maps, so people generally don't bunch up like they would if you're playing other map objectives. That said, I just don't see the Detonator being of much help...you can just as easily ambush people around corners, and that doesn't hurt yourself in the process. In regards to the Scorch Shot, perhaps you're correct on different maps, but on maps such as 2Fort, there is absolutely zero doubt in my mind the Flare Gun is infinitely superior to those two alternatives; in fact, my Strange Flare Gun has more kills than my Strange Axtinguisher. That's how amazing it is.

it means whatever the loadout you use there is always going to be something which can destroy it.. how is that difficult to understand.

Because your wording sounded strange, and the way you phrased it seemed to contradict your entire point.

There are no perfect classes, the game is balanced brilliantly and talking about X loadouts being good again X loadouts is less than half the story.. because map, player skill, other players around etc etc all contribute to the outcome of a fight hence the game being called team fortress.. so unless we are doing some 1v1 duels its all hypothetical rantings of oh this worked well once but on another day same loadout might kick your ass.

Yeah, I never said "X loadout makes you God, and you can never lose against anything!" Why is discussing loadouts somehow bad? Does that appropriately answer your condescending answer?

you can detonate close to someone for multiple targets being hit, and if you miss slightly still doing damage with the detonate.. so its not as clear cut as doing less dmg on burning targets or being able to jump higher (which is great for alot of maps btw and can mean way more ambushes).

Do other weapons have their niche? Yeah, I suppose. I'm just saying, on the maps that I run (2Fort, Turbine, Doublecross), Flare Gun is infinitely superior. That's all I'm saying.

Edit:

Looking to sell a couple of items at spreadsheet prices.

• AWPer Hand: 2 keys.

• The Bearded Bombardier (clean): 1 Key.

• Taunt: The Schadenfreude (clean): 1.5 Keys.

• The Fast Learner (clean): 5 Keys.

• Strange Part: Dominations: 1.66 Ref.

[Ralamus]

im ready for some new halloween items.

[icedwarrior]

im ready for some new halloween items.

I really do hope that the Heavy gets a good hat; all his current hats are very mediocre. Well, except for the raining hat one, with the raining effect, but that's like, God-tier, and I can't even begin to afford that hat...

Still trying to sell Fast Learner (clean), and Strange Part: Dominations...

[CrossNgen]

I'm surprised this threat is still alive, I was out of the loop for a long time.


Look! I'm a Demoking!


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Okay... that's too big.

[icedwarrior]

CrossNgen, I'd recommend throwing a URL link, or hosting it on imgur, and linking a thumbnail.

Here's some of my random, funny screenshots:

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...258F6017D2930/
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...F5701B5A4D351/
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...9F538F536E11A/
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...D62D83E19AC18/

The last I dub "Spyception".

[CrossNgen]

I appreciate the tip!

[Larath]

I really do hope that the Heavy gets a good hat; all his current hats are very mediocre. Well, except for the raining hat one, with the raining effect, but that's like, God-tier, and I can't even begin to afford that hat...

Still trying to sell Fast Learner (clean), and Strange Part: Dominations...

I love my soviet gentleman!

[icedwarrior]

Well, that makes sense, since you are a communist...

[Larath]

communism isn't bad, stop being brainwashed by the media!