LFR - The HC Moaners...

[Banzhe]

Right I don't understand why there are sooooo many posts about LFR existence etc. these "HC" players giving off bout the lowly life people who play them and how they don't at all. That's utter bull... xD

As soon as guilds start hitting 25 level 90s they will be grinding the hell out of it to help get their 4p bonuses etc. Also besides being the quickest place for them to gear up to be ready for the 2nd? Week raids for HC attempts. Same happened with cata. Guilds like paragon rinsed the hell out of it. Also "bugging" it to get all of them their set pieces.

You all know you'll use it so maybe give off trying to soothing your egos?

Considering you must have read at least some of threads you'd also know the issue regarding LFR, it's got absolutely nothing with locking any sort of player out of content / story line and whatever you with your emo hat can invent.., but merely that 10 / 25man raids was put on shared lockout so people wouldn't burn out to fast and that some items that were BiS dropped in either raid size.

LFR is the same problem in a different wrapping, only this time around blizzard don't see it as an issue because now raiders can choose to ignore LFR right?- wrong, anyone doing mildly progressive / competitive raiding would want to run LFR as often as they can until they collect that item which completes a 4set, or that trinket / weapon which is OP compared to anything previously.., only this time around blizzard tries to install a sense that LFR is a great thing and is absolutely not in the same category as to why 10 and 25man was put on the same lock, yet whenever they are questioned about it their only response is along the lines of; If you haven't cleared everything in week one you probably won't need any items from LFR anyway / What about the people who work 36 hours each day and barely have time to log on, don't they deserve free gear?

Pls....

At least when everyone had to resort to pugging raids pre-LFR you knew up front that the people in your raid actually contributed to downing the bosses, in LFR your only guarantee is to have a bunch of snot eating mouth breathers who's barely capable of controlling their character which is why there's 0 mechanics that can kill anyone, your also guaranteed everyone will need on anything even if it's just to vendor the shit. (not all bad players are casual's etc rinse n' repeats)
In rare cases you get tops 10 players able to perform on average in LFR while the rest is like fucking leaches doing 25hps / 50dps while watching tv, now come and tell anyone that LFR isn't breeding / installing bad play style or affecting anything community wise.

Imagine company bosses told their workers they only needed to show to collect their wages at the end of a month, how many workers do you think would gtfo straight after showing their mug in the morning?
Take away accountability and the "system" collapses, it's the logical outcome to something as dimwitted as this!

[ExtremeActionTess]

totally missing the point. its more like, forced to do LFR to gear for normal because its easier that way, which makes normals go by really quickly and even though you cleared normal and LFR now you have to do them both every week to keep gearing people for heroics so you burn through the content extreamly fast.

Most people arnt being negative they just want a barrier between LFR and normal so you cant use LFR to gear for normal, not because they dont want people who need LFR to not be able to do normals, but because when you do both every week for months and then start heroics... just kind of gets boring...

My idea is still to disable LFR gear in normals/heroics seeing as LFR was made so people who didnt have time for normals/heroics to see end content not as another way to gear up for normals/heroics.

Except that in MoP, LFR wont be released until a certain amount of weeks into the expansion, making LFR almost non-existent for the hardcore players. If you still have to do LFR by then, guess what? You're not hardcore enough....

[Blackmist]

You "have to" do a lot of things to increase your chances of beating other guilds in raids.

A weekly LFR run is possibly the least obnoxious thing they've added, compared to grinding dungeons, PvPing and doing a shitty batch of daily quests just for a recipe to make something... Once you've got everything from it, you can stop doing it.

[Banzhe]

Except that in MoP, LFR wont be released until a certain amount of weeks into the expansion, making LFR almost non-existent for the hardcore players. If you still have to do LFR by then, guess what? You're not hardcore enough....

Hopefully there will be a boss in heroic mode where gear does matter, and by your definition if RnG on drops is against your raid their not hardcore enough?
(No need to reply, not a question despite the ? at the end)

[Tokas]

As a HC raider, I love LFR! Nothing beats getting gear for real raids by having WoW on the background and playing TF2.

yeah right ...

[Baergrillz]

Hc raiders complain about content being too easy, then complain about LFR gear being too good which makes doing HM's too easy? Then don't do LFR just go into HM with 5 man heroic gear you guys always complaining things are too easy well then skip the 4pc from LFR and go in with 5 man heroic gear and maybe you will have somewhat a challenge.

[ChaosEater]

Except that in MoP, LFR wont be released until a certain amount of weeks into the expansion, making LFR almost non-existent for the hardcore players. If you still have to do LFR by then, guess what? You're not hardcore enough....

Has there been a new post regarding LFR release? The last blue post I saw stated that the LFR version of each raid will be released 1 week after its normal version is released. I doubt that 1 week of normal raiding is going to be sufficient enough to warrant ignoring the potential gear drops in LFR. I mean if you move on to heroic modes as soon as they are available (which will be the same time LFR opens up) and you get stuck on a boss, are you going to switch it back to normal or are you going to spend the like 1 hour in LFR for the possibility of getting a upgrade?

[nekobaka]

It's not hardcore players moaning about it as a whole, it's just the people who seek external validation though the game. A hardcore player who doesn't need any validation will not care at all if Joe X is wearing the same armor (it says "Looking for raid" as opposed to "heroic" if you inspect).

While on the other hand a casual raider who already doesnt have much time beyond just running the raid once will still feel pressured into running it twice. The reason is not a cut and dry "special snowflake" reasoning. Just as there are players now who dont like how they are feeling pressured to do things they dont enjoy doing like dailies in order to get the reputation they need in order to improve their toon on top of their usual activities like running five mans or raiding. These players are feeling pressured into spending more time into a game that they just dont have.

Oh and casuals can have external validation issues too and be unhappy with their own armor when they compare themselves to others instead of just being happy about their own progress. And to those who like to hide behind the idea that casuals dont take things seriously, you sure get serious about others having gear you dont have or them seeing content you havent seen. Its just a game, why so serious that others have accomplished more in a video game?

[Zechs-cenarius]

meh Im 8/8H on my rogue and I could give 2 ****s and a **** less about LFR's existence or the fact other people can get "the same gear" as me. You do not lower my stats, you do not screw up my progression, and you only further fuel me to do better and get my achievements before you can. So yeah...long live the LFR!

[det]

There's a good number of complaints about LFR, one of the bigger ones is that you pretty much have to do it if you are in any sort of serious guild because the upgrades are generally too good to pass, but on the same token, you pretty much see the story line of a few months worth of raiding play out within about a 2 hour period. .

I am sorry, but why is that accusation not thrown at "normal" modes which we had since Ulduar? Any "serious" guild had normal modes down pretty quickly. And then you do it in heroic again.

I cannot say that wiping a months at bosses like Majordomus Executus, Razorgore or Vael sort of got me excited about the lore....

[Baergrillz]

meh Im 8/8H on my rogue and I could give 2 ****s and a **** less about LFR's existence or the fact other people can get "the same gear" as me. You do not lower my stats, you do not screw up my progression, and you only further fuel me to do better and get my achievements before you can. So yeah...long live the LFR!

It's not the same gear, it's the same set bonuses. Which really isn't that much to freak out about without the rest of the good sats on the gear.

[Nekovivie]

Except that in MoP, LFR wont be released until a certain amount of weeks into the expansion, making LFR almost non-existent for the hardcore players. If you still have to do LFR by then, guess what? You're not hardcore enough....

If you somehow fill EVERY GEAR SLOT with a normal quality item by the second week then sure. Likelyhood of that happening? Zip, zero, zilch, nada.

Therefore you run LFR for the other slots. Even top guilds will probably do this, those who arent in the 25 man raid currently progressing will be doing LFR. Are they not hardcore enough?..guess not.

Your opinion is flawed.

[khalltusk]

I agree that the 1 week delay won't be enough to stop raiding guilds using LFR as a bandage for gear slots that need upgrades.

I used to raid 5 times a week back in vanilla and it did feel like you were getting burned out. I can kinda see similar things with LFR BUT if you don't want to run it then don't run it? Unless you're aiming for server firsts it shouldn't matter. Do LFR in downtime or for gearing alts. Do it in moderation.

I don't have a raiding guild anymore as I took a long break after the first few months of Cata. I am at the point now where I feel I could join one but I would only raid twice per week tops. So it will be something I will consider as I am unsure if I really want to just rely on doing LFR for raiding as it isnt the same as the progress you make in normal/hc.

[Gilian]

I am sorry, but why is that accusation not thrown at "normal" modes which we had since Ulduar? Any "serious" guild had normal modes down pretty quickly. And then you do it in heroic again.

I cannot say that wiping a months at bosses like Majordomus Executus, Razorgore or Vael sort of got me excited about the lore....

Ulduar was the first raid with normal and hardmodes or even more modes/difficulties. Ulduar had way more exciting changes between those modes, it was still fun and it worked the same as now like normal and heroic being on the same lockout. After that we had 2,5 tier of boring normal/hardmode/10m/25m without shared lockouts. Are you really going to tell me people were happy with that? Maybe not everyone was very vocal about it since it was the first time this happened. I can clearly remember people not being happy having to do the same raid four times every week. In Cata we got shared lockouts, so that was fixed. Are they really going to make the same stupid mistake again? Yes they are.
Same "accusation". It's not an accusation, it's a fact. People play for progress, better gear means faster progression raidingwise and also means character progression for most people. So they don't pass on easy to get gear. If the efford is worth the reward then people will do it. That's probably also the only reason why LFR is so popular and that's probably why Blizzard is too afraid to put LFR in the same raid lockout as normal and heroic because then we will see how much people really like LFR. It will also mean LFR will be full with noobs and bads and a few lore fans who just want to see the content, even a worse experience than it already is.
30% does LFR so missing out on that 1% hardmode raiders and 5% normal mode raiders doesn't matter, right? It's just the minority.

[Banzhe]

It's not the same gear, it's the same set bonuses. Which really isn't that much to freak out about without the rest of the good sats on the gear.

No one can be this thick, I mean c'mon.., either your trolling or your displaying a new level of stupidity!

Do you think the high-end guilds that got banned tried to exploit the set-bonuses, trinkets n' weapons due to their stats, do you think anyone who ran LFR for months on end to get a missing tier token, trinket or weapon did it for anything other then the power of the set-bonus n' procc value?

Logistically it makes sense from blizzards end as LFR would otherwise be royally fuc**** the real casual's ass to the point where it looks like a bicycle slot due to que-times and fail rates, the real irony is that they (blizz) then have the audacity to come out and call LFR a huge success and that it's not the same issue which caused 10 and 25man to go on the same weekly lock.

LFR is only a "success" because of the powerful items that players can gain there, if that still isn't making a dent in your thick hide, scroll up and read my previous post.

[Hotsforyou]

Egh I am a heroic raider, but as a person who has to gear a few alts to cushion a 10man progression team for whatever might be thrown at us...

It does wear on me abit.
I have no problems running 5mans. But LFR has just made me LOATHE Dragonsoul in record time. I'd like to see what effect it has on raids that aren't terrible.
But at the current climate, I couldn't dread it more.

It's exhausting. No I don't HAVE to run it, but then I miss out on the thing I like, heroic progression raiding. It's a tiresome step toward doing it with all my options for gear explored. I just pray it's less of a hassle in Mists. That's all.

Same here. I cannot stand DS. Stopped at 1/8 HM backin february because i just could not bring myself to go to DS again. Guild went on to go 8/8 HM. I guess running DS on my main and all my alts every week just literally killed the DS experience for me.

I will NOT run LFR in the Xpak no matter how much of an advantage it gives me as a Tank. I do not want to get burned out on content that fast ever again.

[Gilian]

Hc raiders complain about content being too easy, then complain about LFR gear being too good which makes doing HM's too easy? Then don't do LFR just go into HM with 5 man heroic gear you guys always complaining things are too easy well then skip the 4pc from LFR and go in with 5 man heroic gear and maybe you will have somewhat a challenge.

That one isn't 3 years old...

---------- Post added 2012-08-22 at 12:58 PM ----------

Same here. I cannot stand DS. Stopped at 1/8 HM backin february because i just could not bring myself to go to DS again. Guild went on to go 8/8 HM. I guess running DS on my main and all my alts every week just literally killed the DS experience for me.

I will NOT run LFR in the Xpak no matter how much of an advantage it gives me as a Tank. I do not want to get burned out on content that fast ever again.

It was exactly like that when we did TotC on both 10 and 25 man and both on normal and hardmode. Thankfully my guild wasn't that much progression horny so we didn't do 10 mans every week. ICC at least had some sort of shared lockout. But still, at some point I did half ICC for the 50th time (boss kills that is, so not counting wipes) because if something was too hard you just turned it back to normal. I was quite burned out by then and so was the rest of my guild.

Thankfully I never raided seriously during DS. I bet many people quit because of burning out on content so fast.

---------- Post added 2012-08-22 at 01:01 PM ----------

You "have to" do a lot of things to increase your chances of beating other guilds in raids.

A weekly LFR run is possibly the least obnoxious thing they've added, compared to grinding dungeons, PvPing and doing a shitty batch of daily quests just for a recipe to make something... Once you've got everything from it, you can stop doing it.

Except LFR ruins your whole progression experience. Grinding for consumables did not. And I don't think everyone agrees on how obnoxious both are.

---------- Post added 2012-08-22 at 01:09 PM ----------

Considering you must have read at least some of threads you'd also know the issue regarding LFR, it's got absolutely nothing with locking any sort of player out of content / story line and whatever you with your emo hat can invent.., but merely that 10 / 25man raids was put on shared lockout so people wouldn't burn out to fast and that some items that were BiS dropped in either raid size.

LFR is the same problem in a different wrapping, only this time around blizzard don't see it as an issue because now raiders can choose to ignore LFR right?- wrong, anyone doing mildly progressive / competitive raiding would want to run LFR as often as they can until they collect that item which completes a 4set, or that trinket / weapon which is OP compared to anything previously.., only this time around blizzard tries to install a sense that LFR is a great thing and is absolutely not in the same category as to why 10 and 25man was put on the same lock, yet whenever they are questioned about it their only response is along the lines of; If you haven't cleared everything in week one you probably won't need any items from LFR anyway / What about the people who work 36 hours each day and barely have time to log on, don't they deserve free gear?

Pls....

At least when everyone had to resort to pugging raids pre-LFR you knew up front that the people in your raid actually contributed to downing the bosses, in LFR your only guarantee is to have a bunch of snot eating mouth breathers who's barely capable of controlling their character which is why there's 0 mechanics that can kill anyone, your also guaranteed everyone will need on anything even if it's just to vendor the shit. (not all bad players are casual's etc rinse n' repeats)
In rare cases you get tops 10 players able to perform on average in LFR while the rest is like fucking leaches doing 25hps / 50dps while watching tv, now come and tell anyone that LFR isn't breeding / installing bad play style or affecting anything community wise.

Imagine company bosses told their workers they only needed to show to collect their wages at the end of a month, how many workers do you think would gtfo straight after showing their mug in the morning?
Take away accountability and the "system" collapses, it's the logical outcome to something as dimwitted as this!

It's like people don't read replies like this one. How is this not clearly what's going on?

There is always some idiot asking the same stupid things again here and say you are just an elitist or special snowflake. If you got nothing constructive to add and you are not going to read anyone elses replies then why join the discussion? Go back to LFR with the other slackers and idiots.