The Teachings of Xuen: A Windwalker PvE Guide

**Alviarin** · 2012-11-30, 08:16 AM

Good news, everyone!

As I mentioned, we've been investigating the possibility of altering the Real PPM system to allow double procs. It hadn't been done previously due to technical challenges, but we found a solution much faster than expected, and we're currently working on a hotfix to allow Real PPM enchantments to proc separately per weapon.

Yes, this means that if everything goes smoothly, you'll soon be able to have two simultaneous Dancing Steel procs, or (very rarely) six simultaneous Windsong procs.

With this change, I guess it's time to double enchant Dancing Steel again.
Sigh, one week ago I put a Windsong on my OH, which was formerly my MH with a Dancing Steel already on it ... Oh well !

**Avalya** · 2012-11-30, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Illitti

Sorry if I sound rude, but your anecdotal evidence is of no use. It won't be a 10k DPS loss if you reforged everything to mastery unless you're really unlucky. What I'm saying is while optimal reforging will increase your DPS, it will be in degree of few percentage at most, never something like 10k.

To Horace, the only correct answer is to just sim it. Swap Power Strikes to Ascendance and try it out on SimC. I have almost the same haste level as you and I use Ascendance though.

Of course I know that the reforging didn't pull me 10k more DPS. All the buffs and the reforging did. I'm just saying it feels a lot smoother and that it seems to be better. I leave the rest to sims, but I'm running what I'm comfortable with.

**Illitti** · 2012-11-30, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Alviarin

With this change, I guess it's time to double enchant Dancing Steel again.

This is, in fact, already live on EU servers, as I'm getting double Dancing Steel.

**donsmurf** · 2012-11-30, 12:06 PM

Amazing read, thanks!

**Tatuin** · 2012-11-30, 06:47 PM

Hmm i wonder if any of you awesome ppl have some good Weak aura for WW? that i could get

**Shinkyo** · 2012-12-01, 12:57 AM

After a night of testing on the pole, it seems like reforging all out to crit is better dps than going for the 6k haste.

In my gear, Simcraft gives a theoretical number of 67k dps in my almost full normal raid gear with only self buffs. With the haste build I can do exactly 67k. With going full out to crit and dropping haste to about 2,6k I can consistently pull around 70k.

The crit build feels leaps and bounds shittier to play because of the higher waiting on energy, but it seems to pull ahead.

(I would post a bunch of wol logs to demonstrate if I could)

Has there been any update as to which stat pulls ahead at this time?

---------- Post added 2012-12-01 at 01:04 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Tatuin

Hmm i wonder if any of you awesome ppl have some good Weak aura for WW? that i could get

I've got a Tellmewhen icon to show me optimal times to use Tigereye Brew stacks so that I always stack them on top of other procs, like the one from relic and bottle and the weapon procs. Afaik, it's all the same if you use your brew stacks individually or in bunches of 5 or 10. It really depends if you need the burst for something.

Does that sound like something you could use?

**NaroZ** · 2012-12-03, 03:37 AM

Solid guide, thanks bro. Definitely gonna help me hit 90 on my monk ^.^

**Drarion** · 2012-12-03, 08:28 AM

I recently rolled from Brew to Windwalker and i wonder, would replaceing Netherrealm shoulders 489 and bonebreaker gauntlets 496 to lfr shoulders and hands 483 be worth the stat loss to gain the 2p? Dont think i can link armory since i recently switched realms.

**Mihir** · 2012-12-03, 09:43 AM

Went with a crit-heavy build yesterday in HoF/MV hc, tried to use FoF (with 2piece bonus) as much as possible, and with good results: http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/play...ndwalker_Monk/

6.5k crit rating, 5k haste rating

FoF used 22x, for 11.5% of my total damage.

**Photek** · 2012-12-03, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Mihir

Went with a crit-heavy build yesterday in HoF/MV hc, tried to use FoF (with 2piece bonus) as much as possible, and with good results: http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/play...ndwalker_Monk/

6.5k crit rating, 5k haste rating

FoF used 22x, for 11.5% of my total damage.

I'm doing the same thing this week, managed to get several ranks between 1-15 (check for Photëk http://worldoflogs.com/guilds/22947/rankings/players/) but the main reason could be FoF fix, Ascension and upgraded weapon/trinket, not just crit>haste.

Still there are times I feel like I lack some energy regen, mostly in between Ebrew and FoF on CD but I think I will continue with crit>haste at least this way I actually get to use Ebrew and I don't feel like playing Track & Field while lusted.

**pkcross** · 2012-12-03, 01:30 PM

Quick question. Do we still use Tiger Palm when it procs ? or are we using them only to reapply the buff ?

**Alviarin** · 2012-12-03, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by pkcross

Quick question. Do we still use Tiger Palm when it procs ? or are we using them only to reapply the buff ?

Only if low on chi and energy (you won't cap on energy by the next GCD and you don't have enough Chi for a higher damage spell like RSK, although if RSK is off cooldown and you have enough energy to Jab, you should probably just Jab + RSK). Well, I hope you get my point

**Dahmonk** · 2012-12-03, 03:56 PM

Mihir, were you still using FoF with the condition that it does not cap your energy? I tested yesterday with using FoF off CD (when applicable) and only ever delaying it when RSK came off CD at almost the exact same time. The results were fairly strong for me, though I didn't test how it performed vs not capping energy/delaying RSK as yet.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...=14585&e=14973 Is probably the best example I have of it last nightm this is with a 'crit' heavy build but my gear isn't optimized very well (at the time of raid 5350 crit vs 4000 haste vs ~1900 mastery)

**Lissa** · 2012-12-03, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Mihir

Went with a crit-heavy build yesterday in HoF/MV hc, tried to use FoF (with 2piece bonus) as much as possible, and with good results: http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/play...ndwalker_Monk/

6.5k crit rating, 5k haste rating

FoF used 22x, for 11.5% of my total damage.

I've done pretty much the same as you; on 3/6 MGV heroic this week I went with a crit heavy reforge, albeit still with agi/haste gems. I'll swap fully to crit before the next reset. It's worked out really well for me despite my weapon disadvantage:

http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/play...ndwalker_Monk/ (Rank 11)
Here's my Armory, just don't look at my current reforges since I'm using a bit different gear for tanking Amber-Shaper: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Lissa/advanced
Want to buy some 1h'ers.

**Mihir** · 2012-12-03, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Dahmonk

Mihir, were you still using FoF with the condition that it does not cap your energy? I tested yesterday with using FoF off CD (when applicable) and only ever delaying it when RSK came off CD at almost the exact same time. The results were fairly strong for me, though I didn't test how it performed vs not capping energy/delaying RSK as yet.

/reports/rt-zk3gzgcdkos5rb63/sum/damageDone/?s=14585&e=14973 (this is a world of logs link but the forum isn't allowing me to put in a url as yet) Is probably the best example I have of it last nightm this is with a 'crit' heavy build but my gear isn't optimized very well (at the time of raid 5350 crit vs 4000 haste vs ~1900 mastery)

Yep I was. The only thing i really changed compared to the simcraft actionlist is to allow RSK to be delayed up to 1.5sec by FoF.

**TheWindWalker** · 2012-12-04, 01:24 AM

Through some kind of crazy voodoo magic I've managed to get the funds for a Relic of Xuen. My current trinkets are Flashing Steel Talisman and Searing Words. After setting the weights in Mr.Robot it swears that FST is better than SW and both are better than almost every LFR trinket.

Should I keep FST and keep working it into my rotation (matching it when Xuen/Tigereye Brew) or would it be better to stick to SW? (Also, whichever one I replace, is there truly not an LFR or valor trinket I could replace it with later on?)

**Avalya** · 2012-12-04, 06:04 AM

Any version of the Bottle of Infinite Stars is going to be better than the blue trinkets. Terror in the Mists is decent, but the bottle definitely pulls ahead.

**TheWindWalker** · 2012-12-04, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Avalya

Any version of the Bottle of Infinite Stars is going to be better than the blue trinkets. Terror in the Mists is decent, but the bottle definitely pulls ahead.

Why would I take a static mastery trinket with proccing Agility over a static Crit trinket with proccing Agility? That's backwards from the stat weights.

**Mihir** · 2012-12-04, 08:16 AM

BoIS has around 40-45% uptime on its proc, while the blue trinkets only have like 20% uptime. Secondary stats don't really matter when the proc is just so much better. (and mastery is hardly worthless to us)

**TheWindWalker** · 2012-12-04, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by Mihir

BoIS has around 40-45% uptime on it's proc, while the blue trinkets only have like 20% uptime.

I didn't realize the uptime was that significantly different. Good god that's a beautiful trinket all of a sudden.

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