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  1. #941
    The Insane peggleftw's Avatar
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    can someone explain "storm, earth and fire" to me?

    i dont really understand this spell, how do i summon a 2nd spirit? i press it once, it summons one spirit, i press it a 2nd time and it cancels the spell?

    edit: nvm that, i worked it out! has to be against 2 seperate targets :>

    another question, since there is no duration, it just lasts until target dies, do you use it for the whole boss fight? is it a dps increase? im not 90 yet so cant really test. whats the use for it?
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    another question, since there is no duration, it just lasts until target dies, do you use it for the whole boss fight? is it a dps increase? im not 90 yet so cant really test. whats the use for it?
    Your clones work by exactly copying your attacks.

    Each press gets you 1 extra clone, up to 3 total "you's". With 2 clones (that is, you and 1 extra copy), each clone does 60% of your normal damage (for a total of 120%). With 3 clones, each clone does 45%, for a total of 135%. If the "original" (that is, the actual player) is ever DPSing the same target as the other clone, the clone on that target no longer does anything but autoattack.

    For example:

    You are DPSing a target. Two more targets spawn. You put a clone on your original target, but forget to switch targets. You are now doing 60% of your normal DPS, and getting nothing out of it because your clone isn't copying your attacks.

    Same situation, except you now switch targets after cloning. Now, your clone copies your attacks, and you are doing 120% damage. Repeat the process and switch targets again (now you've got 3 total "you's" out there, each on a separate target) and you are now doing 135% of your normal damage.

    The important thing: NEVER DPS THE SAME TARGET AS YOUR CLONES!

    Other important tidbits:

    - Your clones have almost nil health. They do get the 90% AOE damage reduction it seems like, but you need to keep track of whether they've died or not.
    - When their target dies, your clones will despawn.
    - Your clones have a significant travel time.
    - They have to travel *back* to you when you unsummon them, so there's a moment or two where your ST damage will still be piddly.
    - an unsummoning macro is useful.
    - You clone gets their own Tiger Palm buff, and possibly RSK debuff. Best practice is to use RSK and TP as soon as possible after cloning to get maximum effectiveness.
    - Your clone has to stay in melee range of their target. If your target moves a lot (think Kazra'jin on Council) you won't get as much benefit from SEF (put your clones on the Priest and on the Frost Lord, then interrupt Sul on CD instead).
    - Remember, you *lose* a ton of single target damage no matter what. For mechanics that require a single target to die fast (Council if you're chasing empowereds instead of interrupting, almost all of the Horridon fight, Maegera) SEF amounts to nothing but meter padding at the expense of the raid.
    - If you've got adds that last a long while, and you've got RJW (think Wind Lord), pop up all three clones, put up RSK and TP, hit RJW, watch clones copy that, and SCK to 300k+ DPS.

    Long and short of it:

    - Don't use SEF on single target. Ever. SEF is for cleaving.
    - Its not worth it to use it if adds aren't going to live very long, or if there's a lot of AOE damage, or if your ST damage is more important.
    - Its nearly impossible to keep track of this ability with the default UI. There's a great set of Weak Auras out there that I use somewhere on this forum.
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  3. #943
    I will be happy if monks finally get buffed back up, it's been sucking raiding as WW, I actually went and leveled my rogue finally from 85-90 because I was sick of crappy DPS compared to before...seriously, getting a worthless ability like SEF, no matter how cool it looks, was not worth the nerfs to single target at all...

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    I will be happy if monks finally get buffed back up, it's been sucking raiding as WW, I actually went and leveled my rogue finally from 85-90 because I was sick of crappy DPS compared to before...seriously, getting a worthless ability like SEF, no matter how cool it looks, was not worth the nerfs to single target at all...
    The last minute nerfs were to account for a bug in their sims...imo they didn't have enough time to thoroughly vet the spec going into live...and, thanks to Blizzard's "wait and see" mentality on buffs/nerfs, WW gets to spend an entire tier being sub-par DPS. The nerfs had nothing to do with SEF. SEF would have been awesome...last tier. On a few fights.

    There are a lot of inconsistencies in stat weights right now, there's some people out there favoring Mastery who really shouldn't be.

    WW damage is decent right now if you know what you're doing, and buffs on the way. What we need is utility. Until then, we will live under the shadow of our Brewmaster/Mistweaver fellows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felade View Post
    - an unsummoning macro is useful.
    That reminds me, a cancel aura didnt work for that. Am I missing something there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felade View Post
    long post about SEF.

    thanks for the reply! helped a lot! i didn't realise it doesn't mirror your attacks if you both attack the same target, thats why the spell appeared to be doing nothing for me :P i kept using it against random elites while leveling, could never work out why all the copy did was auto attack instead of mirror my attacks, im pretty sure it didnt say anything about that on the tooltip :P
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    None of our skills use raw weapon damage in their strings, do they? As far as I can tell it's weapon dps instead, so using a faster weapon with less damage should net the same skill damage as long as the dps is the same, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shou View Post
    None of our skills use raw weapon damage in their strings, do they? As far as I can tell it's weapon dps instead, so using a faster weapon with less damage should net the same skill damage as long as the dps is the same, right?
    Yeah, it's weapon dps. For example, blackout kick's tooltip displaying the % weapon dps is:

    Kick with a blast of Chi energy, dealing [ 640% of Mainhand Min DPS + 320% of Offhand Min DPS + 50.9% of AP - 7 ] to [ 640% of Mainhand Max DPS + 320% of Offhand Max DPS + 50.9% of AP + 7 ] Physical damage.
    Then you have Way of the Monk which gives additional benefits to both DW and 2 hand weapon basically to make both viable and comparable. I just wonder how much of a difference there is between both at say BiS gear and same ilvl weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuffs View Post
    That reminds me, a cancel aura didnt work for that. Am I missing something there
    It works, I have one myself. I am not ingame but I am pretty sure it is just /cancelaura Storm, Earth, and Fire since it is a buff you can right click it too! But it will cancel all your clones in the process.
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  10. #950
    Hi guys i have new questions.
    I have a bad juju LFR and Renataki Thunderforging, but also have the shadopan assault trinket, which is better? And any reforge, gems advices? My armory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gulvan View Post
    It works, I have one myself. I am not ingame but I am pretty sure it is just /cancelaura Storm, Earth, and Fire since it is a buff you can right click it too! But it will cancel all your clones in the process.
    Guess I just botched it then, would make things a lot easier

    Also finally got rune, annoying as hell. Got the polearm twice and the chest through coins, and now the trinket
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  12. #952
    Haven't seen any discussion on it here, so I was curious. How valuable would an LFR level Rune be vs a Shado-Pan Assault trinket? Anyone have one to judge yet?

  13. #953
    Quote Originally Posted by Aerenx View Post
    Haven't seen any discussion on it here, so I was curious. How valuable would an LFR level Rune be vs a Shado-Pan Assault trinket? Anyone have one to judge yet?
    Can almost guarantee it'd be better. Trinket is ridiculous, even on LFR.

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    Any version of rune is >>>>> any other trinket in game. By a mile.

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    On another thing, a question to Mihir himself or anybody who has rune and plays in a very good guild.

    When Rune procs, is it best to get 4/5 chi then wait and not use any abilities until you use tiger eye brew, thus not having energy issues going into tiger eye?

    or do you carry on using abilities none the less?

    currently sat at 7k haste which feels a little low atm though i may not be playing correctly since i have only had this trinket about a hour
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littch View Post
    On another thing, a question to Mihir himself or anybody who has rune and plays in a very good guild.

    When Rune procs, is it best to get 4/5 chi then wait and not use any abilities until you use tiger eye brew, thus not having energy issues going into tiger eye?

    or do you carry on using abilities none the less?

    currently sat at 7k haste which feels a little low atm though i may not be playing correctly since i have only had this trinket about a hour
    It depends. I have been switching between 6 and 7K haste recently to find where I am "comfortable" (which varies on fight), but if you are already at 10 stacks well... Truth is, don't waste your GCDs. I personally don't even wait on RSK - but I DO wait on something like FoF.

    I personally do not have too many issues going into Tigereye, as I typically have FoF or at least CW up when it hits.

    But, I dunno - last night I was seeing some terrible uptime on the trinket. Typically I see around 60%+ uptime, but last night I was seeing more like... 20%. It felt like it had changed, because it wasn't proccing until about a minute into the fight (I don't typically finagle with it at the start, as it seems to upset its timing for me).

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    The only thing i make sure of, is to not use RSK right before activating TEB, as you won't be able to fit in 2 RSKs then. Other than that, just continue your normal rotation as much as possible. (i've only raided a few hours in the past month tho, so my experience with rune is still fairly limited compared to some other monks here)

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    Generally my playstyle doesn't change much during the rune proc. If anything, I will try to spend chi like crazy if I am under 10 stacks so that the snapshot will be higher when I do press my TEB button.

    I try to save Energizing Brew so that I can use it for a rune proc just to smooth out my rotation with 0 haste. I try to even out my secondary stats, so I am running about 7500 of each.

    There is a thread on the forums about RORO having a lower proc rate. If you have any logs or whatever, I would post them: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...9110263?page=2

  19. #959
    Well i got lucky too and got Rune from LFR, better than nothing i guess

    Is there any Program Similiar to Catus for kittydruids that is for WW. Catus can calculate the reforging if kitty has the rune equipped, but cant find anything like that to WW. Was quite annoying to manually try and get it as close as possible.

    Also how good is the 4piece tier bonus. Is it worth to Replace ilvl522 item for LFR tier item if it gives you the 4set bonus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by umppa View Post
    Well i got lucky too and got Rune from LFR, better than nothing i guess

    Is there any Program Similiar to Catus for kittydruids that is for WW. Catus can calculate the reforging if kitty has the rune equipped, but cant find anything like that to WW. Was quite annoying to manually try and get it as close as possible.

    Also how good is the 4piece tier bonus. Is it worth to Replace ilvl522 item for LFR tier item if it gives you the 4set bonus?
    what im doing currently is using reforge lite with settings of 220 for haste, crit and mastery, that should put them pretty close, then gem the differance and caps required

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