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  1. #701
    I got talisman of bloodlust today. I will try to reforge some haste away and stack crit and use chi wawe today. Just curious how it will work

  2. #702
    Quote Originally Posted by Moozhe View Post
    For trinkets I think that Rune of Re-Origination and Bad Juju will probably be our BiS.
    While I can see why it might seem like Bad Juju is a good bet, it's worth remembering that Renataki's has 3 things that Bad Juju doesn't.

    1. 0.56 RPPM which is ~12% more proc rate.

    2. 22 sec ICD, so it will never overwrite (probably the reason for the extra proc rate).

    3. Still more average agility than Bad Juju, even if you don't take the Agility peaking into account. Just because we can't make perfect use of the Agility peak does not mean that the proc is any less powerful. Because it isn't.

    As far as I can tell, Bad Juju is designed to do 2 things: fool bad players and be an option for people that cannot stay below expertise cap.

    Well, that and create some variance in player gearing via accidental thunderforged and such.
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  3. #703
    3. Still more average agility than Bad Juju, even if you don't take the Agility peaking into account.
    You can try to cast your FoF at 9-10 stacks of the buff, and in so doing extend the trinket's duration artificially. It's not half bad.

  4. #704
    Quote Originally Posted by Alviarin View Post
    You can try to cast your FoF at 9-10 stacks of the buff, and in so doing extend the trinket's duration artificially. It's not half bad.
    FoF doesn't snapshot.
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  5. #705
    Quote Originally Posted by Moozhe View Post
    FoF doesn't snapshot.
    Pretty sure it does for certain things like buffs (TeB (need to double check), trinket procs) but not for Tiger Palm, Skull Banner, or debuffs on the target.

    Let's take these 2 logs extracts as an example :

    [23:46:55.812] Hyomin gains Blades from Hyomin
    [23:46:57.875] Hyomin gains Blades (2) from Hyomin
    [23:46:59.823] Hyomin gains Blades (3) from Hyomin
    [23:47:01.826] Hyomin gains Blades (4) from Hyomin
    [23:47:03.822] Hyomin gains Blades (5) from Hyomin
    [23:47:05.816] Hyomin gains Blades (6) from Hyomin
    [23:47:07.824] Hyomin gains Blades (7) from Hyomin
    [23:47:09.808] Hyomin gains Blades (8) from Hyomin
    [23:47:11.821] Hyomin gains Blades (9) from Hyomin
    [23:47:13.815] Hyomin gains Blades (10) from Hyomin
    [23:47:15.279] Hyomin gains Fists of Fury from Hyomin
    [23:47:15.279] Hyomin Fists of Fury Durumu the Forgotten Immune
    [23:47:15.279] Hyomin casts Fists of Fury
    [23:47:15.618] Hyomin Fists of Fury Durumu the Forgotten *203179*
    [23:47:15.822] Hyomin's Blades fades from Hyomin
    [23:47:16.154] Hyomin Fists of Fury Durumu the Forgotten Immune
    [23:47:16.460] Hyomin Fists of Fury Durumu the Forgotten 98631
    [23:47:17.023] Hyomin Fists of Fury Durumu the Forgotten Immune
    [23:47:17.366] Hyomin Fists of Fury Durumu the Forgotten 98631
    [23:47:17.864] Hyomin Fists of Fury Durumu the Forgotten Immune
    [23:47:18.162] Hyomin Fists of Fury Durumu the Forgotten *203178*
    [23:47:18.737] Hyomin Fists of Fury Durumu the Forgotten Immune
    [23:47:18.737] Hyomin's Fists of Fury fades from Hyomin
    [23:47:18.979] Hyomin Fists of Fury Durumu the Forgotten *203179*

    Damage remains the same after the buff faded.

    Other example :

    [23:48:01.188] Hyomin gains Blades from Hyomin
    [23:48:03.203] Hyomin gains Blades (2) from Hyomin
    [23:48:05.268] Hyomin gains Blades (3) from Hyomin
    [23:48:07.233] Hyomin gains Blades (4) from Hyomin
    [23:48:09.241] Hyomin gains Blades (5) from Hyomin
    [23:48:11.186] Hyomin gains Blades (6) from Hyomin
    [23:48:13.185] Hyomin gains Blades (7) from Hyomin
    [23:48:15.186] Hyomin gains Blades (8) from Hyomin
    [23:48:17.176] Hyomin gains Blades (9) from Hyomin
    [23:48:17.288] Hyomin gains Fists of Fury from Hyomin
    [23:48:17.288] Hyomin Fists of Fury Durumu the Forgotten Immune
    [23:48:17.310] Hyomin casts Fists of Fury
    [23:48:17.676] Hyomin Fists of Fury Durumu the Forgotten 98387
    [23:48:18.187] Hyomin Fists of Fury Durumu the Forgotten Immune
    [23:48:18.488] Hyomin Fists of Fury Durumu the Forgotten *202678*
    [23:48:19.023] Hyomin Fists of Fury Durumu the Forgotten Immune
    [23:48:19.187] Hyomin gains Blades (10) from Hyomin
    [23:48:19.285] Hyomin Fists of Fury Durumu the Forgotten *202678*
    [23:48:19.868] Hyomin Fists of Fury Durumu the Forgotten Immune
    [23:48:20.118] Hyomin Fists of Fury Durumu the Forgotten 98387
    [23:48:20.742] Hyomin Fists of Fury Durumu the Forgotten Immune
    [23:48:20.742] Hyomin's Fists of Fury fades from Hyomin
    [23:48:20.968] Hyomin Fists of Fury Durumu the Forgotten *202678*
    [23:48:21.192] Hyomin's Blades fades from Hyomin


    Damage didn't increase when I gained a buff stack.

  6. #706
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    Based one what other people were telling me with these type of scaling trinkets, they are pretty freaking good as far as how often they are up. Even those it has a crap ton of EXP, ill be picked up one if we get it tonight on H Jinrokh
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  7. #707
    About weapons. I got upgraded normal fist from empress and garajal hc. Should i get 2x 522 weapon OR one 522 weapon to maindhand and keep empress weapon on off hand so i get 500 agi from lege gem?

  8. #708
    So, we have a lot of speculation about which stat best for our current gear. But, where our final ver. BiS gear list?

  9. #709
    How do you think we can establish a "final" BiS List when we don't have a definitive answer regarding our stats ? :P

  10. #710
    -At the moment, we have determined that haste have 6776 soft cap

    -Crit better than mastery in 5.1 end game gear, until we reached 4 T15 pieces

    Based on this information, we can reach a conclusion about stat priority

    end game T14 gear model:
    hit\exp cap>6776 hase>crit 34-35%(with Terror in the Mists trinket)> master 3%+

    end game t15 gear model
    hit\exp cap>6776 hase>master (with 4t15 and Rune of Re-Origination trinket )> crit

    These information based on many discussions on elitistjerks.com\mmo-champion sites Windwalker forum themes
    Last edited by samadxi; 2013-03-12 at 10:58 PM.

  11. #711
    Someone did question it already some pages ago but there was no real answer.

    I got 4 trinkets. Heroic elegon,terror ilvl 504,xuen 484 and I can get the shado pan 522 trinket. Which combination is the best? I am currently using terror in the mist and elegon trinket. Also it wont be possible for me to get heroic terror.
    Last edited by pkcross; 2013-03-13 at 12:43 AM.

  12. #712
    Quote Originally Posted by pkcross View Post
    Someone did question it already some pages ago but there was no real answer.

    I got 4 trinkets. Heroic elegon,terror ilvl 504,xuen 484 and I can get the shado pan 522 trinket. Which combination is the best? I am currently using terror in the mist and elegon trinket. Also it wont be possible for me to get heroic terror.
    Heroic Elegon and Shado-pan 522 trinket are the best two out of those.

  13. #713
    Quote Originally Posted by Thisisanalt View Post
    Heroic Elegon and Shado-pan 522 trinket are the best two out of those.
    About that, what about normal upgraded elegon and xuen upgraded? I want to change one of them with the rep 522, probably xuen, right?

  14. #714
    Quote Originally Posted by manu9 View Post
    About that, what about normal upgraded elegon and xuen upgraded? I want to change one of them with the rep 522, probably xuen, right?
    if I remember correctly 2/2 normal bottle was better than 2/2 Xuen, the rep trinket will be a significant upgrade over Xuen so it's a good choice to replace it.

  15. #715
    i need a little help, i have the shadopan assault trinket, the elegon and lei shi lfr trinket, who is the better trinket combo? shadopan+leishilfr o shadopan+elegonlfr
    Last edited by Bijohx; 2013-03-13 at 03:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryanlol View Post
    While I can see why it might seem like Bad Juju is a good bet, it's worth remembering that Renataki's has 3 things that Bad Juju doesn't.

    1. 0.56 RPPM which is ~12% more proc rate.

    2. 22 sec ICD, so it will never overwrite (probably the reason for the extra proc rate).

    3. Still more average agility than Bad Juju, even if you don't take the Agility peaking into account. Just because we can't make perfect use of the Agility peak does not mean that the proc is any less powerful. Because it isn't.

    As far as I can tell, Bad Juju is designed to do 2 things: fool bad players and be an option for people that cannot stay below expertise cap.

    Well, that and create some variance in player gearing via accidental thunderforged and such.
    I'd like to argue here that the passive mastery on that trinket makes Bad JuJu still way better then Renataki's.

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    Im gonna assume the shado pan assault trinket is better then relic of xuen?

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    One question guys.

    I got the staff from Horridon, "Jalak's Maelstrom Staff".

    Is it better than the combination of Claw of the Shekzerr and Gara'kal ?

    Should i replace ?Also just to add that they are all LFR ilv.

    Finally i wonder if the stat priority order changes with Two Handed weapons.Currently i run with Haste Mastery and Crit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samadxi View Post
    -At the moment, we have determined that haste have 6776 soft cap

    -Crit better than mastery in 5.1 end game gear, until we reached 4 T15 pieces

    Based on this information, we can reach a conclusion about stat priority

    end game T14 gear model:
    hit\exp cap>6776 hase>crit 34-35%(with Terror in the Mists trinket)> master 3%+

    end game t15 gear model
    hit\exp cap>6776 hase>master (with 4t15 and Rune of Re-Origination trinket )> crit

    These information based on many discussions on elitistjerks.com\mmo-champion sites Windwalker forum themes
    Is that the haste softcap with or without Ascension?
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    Quit trying to use logic in a video game that mails you dragons.
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    Even the most delicious carrot will eventually be ignored if you don't get a single bite.

    And that, my dear friend, is why LFR is good, both in gameplay and gear. It lets you taste the carrot.

  20. #720
    Quote Originally Posted by Uthaslol View Post
    Is that the haste softcap with or without Ascension?
    Yes, this is haste soft cap with Ascension talant

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