They tend to create drama.
It varies from female to female.
TLDR Just because you raid does not mean you arent being carried.
Just because that guild discriminates, don't assume others restrict by gender. That's ridiculous. I've been part of 2 separate HC raiding guilds now. Both with many active female raiders. Remember, Blizzard will allow you to say no females if you want in your little club, but smart guilds no the way to recruit is to find the best players, regardless of gender.
My 10 man has 3 women, we just recruited a 4th one. I really don't see why it would be a problem.
I have seen this once on our server that a guild specified no woman. To be honest, those people must just not like the idea woman could outperform them.
Typically women are just like their male raiding counterparts, but we all have been jaded by the hair twirling attention wh-re who looks to be carried through raids and then puts on her baby voice asking everyone in vent if she can need xyz boss drop
I wouldn't want to join anyway with that cell phone rule.
Honestly even better would be to ask people to "tell us about yourself as a raider" and I'd just filter out anyone who mentions gender or age or anything like that as if it's relevant to raiding. People who are constantly trying to bring real life unrelated things into it are drama whether they're male or female.
Everyone's still trying to make this a "omg. Stereotyping and discriminating against womenz" thing. I still stand that, women are fine raiders. Some women are loot whores, but not all. But the problem is guys acting like idiots when there are women raiding with them. :/ If someone doesn't want to deal with that, oh no?
Not like they can't do that if they don't want. I've seen a lot of drama over girls in guild over many years in the past, most of which occurred in BC. And I have also seen multiple instances of girls actually getting carried on hardcore teams because they flirted with literally everyone. Can be quite annoying. Obviously not all females who play the game are like this, and I am not saying they are. But one of the easiest ways to eliminate quite a bit of drama is just to use that rule, not that I agree with it.
From MY experience, girls are really bad dds. That has to do a lot of character since in a top raid, you need to throw in everything possible and this also means risking something.
I've had girls that were GREAT healers. So i'd not say that girls are bad raiders, they just need to take it serious - what most girls simply don't do. I'm talkigna bout the type of player like ' oh i did 10% less damage, but the boss was down, so what do you want from me?'. But as a healer, they often don't look at healing metres and try to save everyone.
But i don't think that#s the main problem for those guilds. I already heard very often stuff like the guild leader trying to involve his girlfriend into raiding, giving some pretty nightmare girl friend terror.
So i suppsoe those guilds simply had some very bad experiences with female players. My 25m top 100 raid never had more than 3 girls in his raid. Sometimes only 1.
But mainly due to the lack of good female applications.
would like to add that even in my current guild females are treated like gods.
none raider girls get late night 10mans to get them mounts before main raiders and what not. I cant be bothered looking for another guild atm and things are going good for myself but not as much as i want it to be. but yeah thats the main point. always some officer/gm or their rl friends get a secret crush on a girl and things magically start happening for that girl(s) and they get priority over loyal raiders.
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I could run a company just fine not hiring any minorities and say, "Well, my policy works just fine, I've had no problems." Or I could hire minorities and "risk" (because oh lawdy they're gonna start so many problems) having a problem. If there's no problem, it still works.
Here's the issue. Meet John and Sally. John and Sally are both mages, both ilvl 397 and both aren't very good at the game. John and Sally both attend all the raids in the same fashion, but both pull pretty shitty DPS. The raid leader speaks to both of them separately and they both throw hissy fits. When the raid leader talks to John and he throws a hissy fit, John gets gkicked, what an ass. When Sally does the same thing, Sally THE GIRL gets gkicked, man bitches cause so much trouble in guilds always being whiny and what not.
See the difference? Being the minority in gaming, when you do something wrong as a female, it sticks differently in a person's head. John is just John, whatever, but Sally will always be THAT GIRL that sucks, instead of simply, that mage. See what I mean?
Your post and the seven pages of responses answers itself. Pure and simple. Drama. Had you not posted your knee jerk reaction to how dare a guild not want your uber femaleness in their guild there would have not been seven pages worth of reasonable excuses for why they would choose to do so interspersed with responses from the female populace becrying how wrong it is.
Some guilds just have terrible recruiting methods too so it's easier to just stereotype. That's why we make stereotypes. Because it's easier than thinking.
Learn about the personalities of your raiders. Recruit people who refuse to be carried. Recruit people who are competitive. Recruit people who see someone in similar gear of the same class outperforming them as a problem that needs to be solved. Recruit people who research. Recruit people who don't make excuses for themselves. Recruit people who don't believe that you need full HC gear to do adequate dps. Recruit people who actually want to raid and would still raid even if raids didn't drop gear.
There are still important things besides "has mic, has hc experience, has no life." You have to realize a lot of people looking for a new guild are people who were a terror in their old guild.