Number of men I have kicked or seen kicked from guilds I've been in: Lots. And pretty much all of them deserved it
Number of women kicked: 0.
Most of this thread now consists of little boys breathlessly telling their true stories about "Oh my God, guys! I was like, totally in this guild and a girl joined, and was being like all hot and stuff, and then the raid leader totally gave her loot, and one of us needed it for off tank kit, and we were like, totally kick this bitch now man, and the raid leader was telling us to like, shut the fuck up, and then one of our raiders walked out in disgust, so I whispered her telling her to die and she left. Guys rule!"
The biggest reason is that the general assumption is that one female in a room full of males will use that to her advantage. Just as one male in a room full of females would likely do the same (though also likely to less effect).
When you know you can get attention and special treatment, you're more likely to strive for it. That's the generalization of females on the internet.
Do I agree with it? No. Though I would be lying if I said I had never witnessed female players who lived up to that stereotype. In fact, I have known a few in my time playing this game.
My guild has a massive amount of female raiders. Even compared to most of the guilds in this thread who have three or four. My guild has, as far as I can count now based on future interest and previous roster, no less than six. Only one of them, funny enough, is a healer (and one of my most trusted healers to boot, as I am the healing class leader). One is a tank/melee DPS, three are melee DPS, and one is a caster DPS. All of them are fun to be around. Sure, I am flirty, and they are flirty sometimes, but it is respectably so and not in the interests of "hooking up" or "manipulating for gear" or anything of that nature.
I can understand the stance that some guilds might have against female members. If I recall, there's even one guild out there that has a strict "no boys allowed" policy. Some people just don't want to take that chance. I don't agree with it, but I can respect that decision.
Based on my own experiences (having been in a top 100 guild) the sex didn't even matter.
My old Guild-master and Raid leader was a woman, and she's highly regarded on my server as one of the best players around. She's quit the game now but people still ask me if I know whether she's coming back or not.
Again, similar situation with an Alliance guild on my realm where their GM/RL/top healer is female and while I was raiding in my previous guild they were even trying to recruit her because of how good she is at the game, not because she has breasts.
I'd be lying if I said I hadn't met the bad kind of gamer girl too, we had one once who tried it on with every guy in the roster until she found one who paid over £100 buying her name/race changes and vanity pets. Still, silly policy not to take on female players based on a stereotype, and you get just as many retarded guys as you do e-whore girls.. You'll miss out on a lot of good players that way.
Last edited by Valarius; 2012-08-15 at 06:57 PM.
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Out of all the guys I've met in game, I can count the outstanding ones on 1 hand. Most of them thought they were the dog's nadges even if they were only average. And a lot were just plain bad.
What you need to realize is that most of the people that play wow are male. That means that statistically you will play with more males than females. However if you put it into perspective and look at the percentage of good players within each group you'll find the 'good vs. bad' player ratio is about equal.
The problem is that there's the 'zomg a girl!' factor in play too, the very notion that 'player X' is a girl instantly puts her at the centre of attention for many players, so if she plays up, then 'zomg girls are such dramaqueens lololol!' - but if she's a good player then nobody bats an eyelid.
I have of course had the 'pleasure' of meeting drama queens and and utter bints that think of nothing but furthering their own goal, - but quantity wise most of those were male.
And I cringe when people keep saying that a girl joined the guild and tore it apart. I mean, wow. It's all her fault of course, not the fault of all the guys that fawned at her feet and started thumping their chests in an effort to try to have a chance of getting into her knickers. Yea, it's all her fault and none of the guys are to blame for any of it. - Ever heard of the phrase 'it takes two to tango'? If there was no response then there would be no drama.
Here's a hint, if a girl is causing problems or being a drama queen just boot her. Doesn't matter if she's the baggage of someone else, they should either understand or bugger off. - Man up and grow a pair. (And stop thinking you can get into her knickers)
In my (10 man) raid team we have about 2-4 ladies each raid, all of them stellar players. We got to 6/8hc in DS before we got bored with it. (plus, summer vacations etc.) Never have any drama problems.
Grow up; having a mixed gender guild of (mostly) balanced adults is the most enjoyable environment you can ask for.
There is one reason that is seldomly addressed.
Let me give you an example...
5 males are playing a dungeon. Chatting on TS, having a good time when one of them explains to his mate that he can suck his d*ck and hairy ba**s , you f*cking bastard. Normally males will simply laugh at this because even at age of 35, we communicate like this within confines of a friendly environment.
Should you say something like this to a female you are more then likely to get a ban from GM for sexual abuse and / or lots of yelling from female player.
In a nutshell this is a great part of why HC raiding guild dislike female players or non HC for that matter.
My guild which classes itself as semi-hardcore too raids far more in new content.
Anyway, back on topic, I have to agree with the poster that stated that because the female gamer is in the minority, it will always be the female who is at fault when 'drama' within a guild and is never of course the male... I would never dream of, nor have I ever had a fellow female guildie, use her sex for an advantage within a guild environment. In fact, if I did get preferential treatment I would be insulted.
Ran a casual guild after my days in vanilla, after my hardore days in naxx O.O
A chick unbeknownst to the guild community except for my guild officers and GM, she would take advantage of officers for key loots. No joke, it's more common than you might suspect. She was going around their states and asking to go 'out' with them, she would then later commence the attack with the ability known as 'feminine charm' and sometimes go all the way, as in one video clearly showed...it...GO DOWN!!!!!!!!! I was the one officer (besides a female officer who wanted her ousted) that turned her down after finding this all out (she was only semi attractive, guess they were just desperate and I was only 15 at the time, SO JOKES ON YOU?)
Some girls are just god awful at playing WoW. We've trialed a bunch that couldn't perform well enough and let them go. Nowadays though, I'm the only healer that's a guy besides the other shaman in our 25m core group (that's 7 healers), and even our GM is a chica, (also a healer), and at least 3-4 dps'ers, and our tank is chick. Almost top 100 US so I'd say we did pretty decent considering we were with over 10 females...so the skepticism of females being good are not right. I enjoy playing with a bunch of awesome chicas; it's just hard to find a group of the minority out there that are so damn good that they work together instead of personal gain, are just god awful, cause drama due to that perception of women being crazy that one part of the month, and are not lewd and lascivious girls around your guildies. These kinds of acts are performed on both sides by the way, not by women only. I've seen guys get away with things like this by swooning the GM with flirty comments.
I've also seen people get married, date, and even have happy families from meeting on this MMO, it's not a bad thing to mingle with them it's just usually that isn't the case with hardcore people. They are focused on the raid, and that's all. Any mingling or otherwise other act of dating that COULD cause drama will be halted due to it causing a rift in the guild itself. That may be another reason why guilds prefer one sex to the other.
Going off track now, but perhaps some believe the female sex cause more harm than good, maybe based off personal experience, maybe they're just sexist...I've met sexist women as well in WoW, trust me it's not just one side.
There could be a number of reason, perhaps they're just parroting other guilds to show they are serious about raiding. That would just slap them back in the face though, from my experience you cannot turn anyone down simple because of gender, that female shadow priest might be better than that shitty fire mage dude you just recruited last week for all you know.
I'm done for now...my guild will probably be commenting on this....have fun fending off those crazy females!?!?!?! lololol...I kid rhapsody! Don't kill me lawful...sprixi...sup cocoa O.o
(I'm also sure you knew most of this yourself, don't worry I felt weird when I was denied access to the female guild back in vanilla once, you get used to it...)
Last edited by Fliponovic; 2012-08-15 at 07:30 PM.
Most HC guilds (ones that are in world first race and even server first race) are looking for realy, realy exceptional players. Now i dont want to say that girl cant be an exceptional player, but fact is that very small percent of girls are decent raiders and even smaller percent are exceptional. Those HC guilds just dont want to risk with taking girls with high percent of turning into a huge time waste.