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    1/5 of my current raid team are women and all good at their jobs even though all but 1 are healers lol.
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    I can give you multiple examples -

    We had one guy in our guild who was a total drama queen. He pretended like he had multiple personalities (he didn't) for attention, and called out his recount numbers in the middle of bossfights for attention (even though sadly enough he wasn't even that high.) He hit on all the girls that were raiding at the time in vent and was just really depressed about himself and was an awful attention whore. I gave him the boot because he was causing drama.

    We had another guy who was a loot monster. Played a frost DK. No, a blood DK. Sorry, Unholy. I mean, well, his spec changed with every single weapon that dropped because, suddenly, whatever that weapon was tailored to was his new main spec. I kicked him, too, because he was causing loot drama.

    We had ANOTHER guy who came in and started to try to schmooze up to the girls in the guild. He was a charmer, tried to secure raid spots by charming me and the other girls, tried to get items that way, tried to get gold that way. He got booted because I didn't like his attitude and I didn't want him to start drama that would lead into fights.

    We had a guy that I just recently kicked out because he was harassing one of our non-raider women in whispers, sexually. Stupid drama causers.

    To top it all off, the people in our alt group aren't terribly good. The only non-male in our alt group is my alt. The rest of them are kind of subpar players which is why they haven't been assigned to our main group.

    And that's why serious, heroic mode raiders shouldn't allow men to join their raids.

    Wait, this thread is about women? I guess it's funny, because I've experienced and equal share of bad raiders of both genders. Looks like the moral of the story is to fucking kick out the bad people, no matter the gender, before they start shit than to just hate an entire gender because your friends are twitterpated fuckwads.
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    gah so much ignorance in one place. 'I've seen it so many times, guilds ruined by PMS' ...I've seen 99% of guilds ruined by men, not women. and saying 'oh they cause drama because guys love tits' ...why not ask your male members not to be utterly retarded, rather than banning women? 'oh hey we have racist members, so... no blacks'. good job!

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    I've never seen or heard of this before. Also, cell phone, really? I don't even share my fb info with anyone I don't know and like :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerath View Post
    I've had similar experience myself. In almost seven years of guild officering (if that wasn't a word before, it is now) and leading, younger males (14-18 age range) have been far more problematic than any females, by a country mile.
    We have always been hesitant about accepting applicants under 18 (guild chat can get pretty blue on occasion, and don't really want raiding to impact on school etc) and the few times we've bent that rule, we have regretted it.
    im sure young males are more annoying than female's thats why guilds don't want them either, but female in guilds is often problematic.
    Wether its the female causing it or not. if there is a chance to keep the guild trouble/drama free is it so weird to have an all male guild
    im sure if it was the other way around and more females played WoW it would have probably been the same with no guys!

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    First off let me say that the guild im in has many females in it. But every guild has the right to recruit who they want and exclude anyone they wish to, its stupid yeah but the stereotypical "girl" on wow brings drama or swindles people for loot.

    Thats just how allot of people see "girls" in wow and even if thats not the case there are allot of lonely guys out there who might get distracted by a girl in raids, again its sad as fuck but its true.

    At any rate guilds who say they don't want females isn't the type of guild for you, theres no point trying to reason with them since its within their rights to recruit who ever they wish and you should already off the bat know they are a immature guild you want no part of as a female.

    Edit: The no under 18 is much more common and i agree with it, many younger players always say they are mature for their age but cmon your 12.. and even if thats the case nobody in a high end guild wants a player who doesn't fully control their time.

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    I think that the example should be set by some of the more well known raiding guilds, who are frequently discussed and spot lighted (not gonna give specific names, to avoid people thinking im being a fan boy, or biased, or showing favoritism etc)

    All the guilds that fall into that category I named, that have shown RL pics and video of themselves, all have females in their raiding guilds. When I frothed at the mouth about raiding in wrath, our top hunter, top druid healer, and top druid dps, were all 3 female. They were superb, knew the ins and outs, and when a few of us got to know them on face book, were all 3 very easy on the eyes as well (just saying, they weren't like the stereotypical quarter ton chicks that people seems to think female gamers are. I have seen the proof that the stereotype is a lie lol)
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    Quote Originally Posted by GW2 is LEGEND View Post
    A lot of times a women will cause drama, it's not that they're bad, it's that most virgin guys can't help themselves. Even non virgins are like OMAIGAWD A FEMALE, BETTER PROVE MYSELF A HERP DERPALERP
    Honestly, I don't know why a guild would have people like that in it. Why work so hard to keep one bad apple when he ruins the entire pool of female raiders for you? Don't those people get that they're shafting themselves out of more people by catering to the horndog?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobyboucher View Post
    Woaaa wait a sec! Would you agree that on average there are more Men/Boys that play this game than women? As well would you also agree that most people that play the game are generally terrible at it (if you don't think this roll an alt and level through lfg)? Thus on average most guys are are terrible at the game as well!
    Whoa whoa there sparky. YES the majority of terrible players are male because there are simply a lot more guys playing. As a percentage of the good players I've met though, only ONE has been female. 99% of the good players I've met have been male. It isn't scientific yes but that's pretty insane. I think out of the top 3 guilds on my server, there are maybe 3 good females in them. I'm not going to argue either that idiot guys who think with their lower-heads aren't part of the problem because they are for sure. It's just that as a whole the vast VAST majority of female players I've run into were fucking terrible and a decent number of them expected things to be handed to them because they have a vagina. This is probably the experience of the guild GM too. He probably doesn't want to deal with the drama and all that and would rather just not recruit them even if the offchance is there that they'd be really awesome.
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    cuz IRL females say no to them ?

    but seriously, 'hardcore' guilds should be above 'omg a gurl!' drama, if they're susceptible to that, its likely they aren't really a hardcore guild, just what's considered hardcore for your server.

    real hardcore guilds only care about results, and if YOUR personality gets in the way of it, its YOUR fault, not someone else's gender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viscoe View Post
    Honestly, I don't know why a guild would have people like that in it. Why work so hard to keep one bad apple when he ruins the entire pool of female raiders for you? Don't those people get that they're shafting themselves out of more people by catering to the horndog?
    Because the "entire pool of female raiders" is much smaller than the pool of retarded male raiders who don't stand in fire. Sad but true.
    Note that I don't agree with this policy, but from a numbers perspective it's semi-logical . . . assuming you have leadership that is too lazy to police such things.

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    TBH, the people in that guild can't be straight :P To refuse females to join is stupid...We have 4 females in our main team and we got no problems...and funny enough only one of them is a healer...3 female dpsers :O

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimblake View Post
    TBH, the people in that guild can't be straight :P To refuse females to join is stupid...We have 4 females in our main team and we got no problems...and funny enough only one of them is a healer...3 female dpsers :O
    What do you hear more of though, female in guilds that cause problems or females in guilds that are really good, raid lead, out dps .

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    Women often cause drama. That's just a fact. Almost all drama in guilds is because of loot (which the guild points out here) and women being jelly of other women, men they're fighting over, men fighting over them or some other equally stupid nonsense caused by women directly or otherwise. Is it the fault of all women wanting to raid? No but this guild has clearly had that problem before. They would be fools not to avoid the same situations. I'm sure a lot of people that say "amg lets have girls in our guild!" have come to rue those words when they cause drama. Do all women? Clearly not but it is like saying "we don't hire black people because of XYZ" being racist but sometimes justified in the cases where those black people do XYZ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waifu View Post
    What do you hear more of though, female in guilds that cause problems or females in guilds that are really good, raid lead, out dps .
    Who do you hear more from though ? The people sitting in trade chat that wipe after two bosses, or the people that log in once a week, do a full clear, then call it quits til next tuesday ?

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    My raiding community has 1/4th female players. We're all mature people, and treat each other with respect; Everyone knows their class and how to get the most out of it, and that's the main reason that my community is so successful. Respect, Teamwork, Being vocal on vent when needed, Having a good time together, and knowing how to play, that's all that we need, and it works flawlessly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orodoth View Post
    I think that the example should be set by some of the more well known raiding guilds, who are frequently discussed and spot lighted (not gonna give specific names, to avoid people thinking im being a fan boy, or biased, or showing favoritism etc)

    All the guilds that fall into that category I named, that have shown RL pics and video of themselves, all have females in their raiding guilds. When I frothed at the mouth about raiding in wrath, our top hunter, top druid healer, and top druid dps, were all 3 female. They were superb, knew the ins and outs, and when a few of us got to know them on face book, were all 3 very easy on the eyes as well (just saying, they weren't like the stereotypical quarter ton chicks that people seems to think female gamers are. I have seen the proof that the stereotype is a lie lol)
    Seems rather silly doesn't it? Why are you at all surprised that top players can be female? People have it in their heads the males can only be the best or w/e same sexiest stuff we see day to day irl.

    Most people who think this way about wow players are probably not sexiest at all but still have this mind set, when in reality there is just a way small population of female wow players to males that it's harder to find talent.

    Just like the olympics , New Zealand (my country ) only has like 4.4 million people so we can't nearly get as many medals as the USA but per capita we are right up there.

    I wouldn't be surprised at all if on average a female wow player has a high skill level than the males.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oplawlz View Post
    Because the "entire pool of female raiders" is much smaller than the pool of retarded male raiders who don't stand in fire. Sad but true.
    Note that I don't agree with this policy, but from a numbers perspective it's semi-logical . . . assuming you have leadership that is too lazy to police such things.
    Last time I checked the balance was fairly close to 50/50. But if these idiots, and others like them, want to rob themselves of possible connections with extremely good players... more for the rest of us!
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    Reply to there post and ask.

    I'm 99% sure that they are just joking about it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaladinBash View Post
    Women often cause drama. That's just a fact. Almost all drama in guilds is because of loot (which the guild points out here) and women being jelly of other women, men they're fighting over, men fighting over them or some other equally stupid nonsense caused by women directly or otherwise. Is it the fault of all women wanting to raid? No but this guild has clearly had that problem before. They would be fools not to avoid the same situations. I'm sure a lot of people that say "amg lets have girls in our guild!" have come to rue those words when they cause drama. Do all women? Clearly not but it is like saying "we don't hire black people because of XYZ" being racist but sometimes justified in the cases where those black people do XYZ.
    The reason that this post's title is misleading is that most legitimate progression guilds won't put up with that kind of bullshit from their raiders, regardless of gender. It's the mediocre guilds trying to be hardcore that have to put up with some behavior issues in order to have a full roster. So I don't think that we can even say this is about gender; it's about guild leadership and the abilities of the raid leaders that cause these sorts of problems.

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