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  1. #161
    tbh, the females that I know in game are just horrible in raiding guilds. Either going "LOL all females always get treated like shit by guys" or "teehee, I'm a girl, flirt with me!" on vent.

    Those that act normally and try to act ncie I will take seriously. But those that try to abuse their female-ness I just can't take seriously and will ignore completely.

  2. #162
    My guild is second on the server. Been 8/8 heroic for a very very long time now and we have 4 female raiders. All some of the best of their class that I have raided with. My guess is it purely a male ego thing.

  3. #163
    I'll be honest op, the quote you gave me sounds like it comes from a 18 years old emo nerdrager.

    Only case i can see not wanting girls is the usual good-player bring his gf into wow and she wants to raid but shes terrible.

  4. #164
    It's a game. They don't have to play with girls if they don't want to. Get over it, move on.

  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by Azshalorah View Post
    I have been browsing the WoW forums as of late, to try and find a guild for MoP. I have stumbled into a LOT of guilds flat out saying they won't recruit any females. Here is a quote from one guild in particular....



    Now everything except for the 'no females' on that list I can understand. Can someone please enlighten me on this subject?

    Thanks!
    I guess for similar reasons that some guilds don't allow male members.

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  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by Azshalorah View Post
    I have been browsing the WoW forums as of late, to try and find a guild for MoP. I have stumbled into a LOT of guilds flat out saying they won't recruit any females. Here is a quote from one guild in particular....



    Now everything except for the 'no females' on that list I can understand. Can someone please enlighten me on this subject?

    Thanks!

    First off....you are over-generalizing in your question. HC raiding guilds do not say no to females. SOME HC raiding guilds say no to females. There are plenty of top tier heroic raiding guilds that are perfectly fine with having female members. The top 5 world first guilds all have female members on their core raid team.

    As to your question of why the ones you've checked with don't allow females; the answer is most likely because they are ignorant.

    There are plenty of reasons why having a female in your guild can cause problems that just refusing female membership can prevent.

    In general, females are treated differently by men than other men are. It's a structure of our culture and society. It's not right or wrong, but it definately does happen. Women get out of more speeding tickets than guys do when its a male officer involved. Things like that. Men tend to give a "free pass" to women and to give them special treatment before we do other men.

    You can see how this could cause guild drama. Generally when a male and female are competing for a piece of equipment, a raid spot, or anything else and it ends up being a judgement call on who gets it.....most of the time the female will win, all other things being equal, if the person making the decision is male and not able to separate emotion and fact. Again, this isn't a universal truth, but it is simply the general way we have been conditioned through society.

    Because of that, some guilds apparently feel that it easier to just not introduce that situation into their guild. While it's a legitimate way to deal with the underlying cause, I feel it's ignorant. Because if guild members can't accept a female raider and make choices based upon pure analytical data vs "personal feelings".....it's those guild members that need to be replace and not the female raider.

    Also...that same bias can be a positive for having raiders in your HC raid group in some cases. For example.....if I have a really rough day at work and just don't feel like signing on to raid one night; I'm much more likely to "man up" and log on if I know I'm going to be joining a raid group with a few women on vent for a raid vs 9 men.
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  7. #167
    The guilds that you're finding are probably just sexist idiots. i think many of the worlds best guilds have female raiders, Paragon and Blood Legion as examples. The guild's you're finding are just being run by morons.

  8. #168
    If I had to guess, I'd assume that the guild in question had a string of bad luck with female players and decided it wasn't worth the risk. I've been in guilds where female players have been incredibly adept at starting guild drama, and I know that that isn't something many guilds want to deal with. As a side note, I've also played with some very skilled and mature female players as well. Honestly it just comes down to your perception of female players and your experiences with them, and some guilds haven't been good, so they err on the side of caution.
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    The guild has probably had a lot of problems with girls causing drama and it was simply easier to just say no girls allowed. Fair? No, but what can you do.

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    A lot of these posts seem to be "a bunch of guys will like one girl, so it's the girls fault."

    All my what. ❤

  11. #171
    Females are discouraged in high end raiding for a multitude of reasons, some of which are as follows:

    - Statistically worse than their male counterpart.
    - Statistically liable to cause drama themselves.
    - Statistically going to be involved in nerd driven male lust drama around them.
    - Generally less willing to take harsh criticism and use it to improve instead of combat it.
    - Generally less driven to min/max and micromanage their game to perfection.

    These are the main reasons females are frowned upon in high end raiding, there is the odd exception but when making the gamble of recruiting one of them the safe bet is to avoid them entirely. To avoid infraction, I am simply responding to the OP and laying out the facts. You're free to disagree or refute them but this is my experience in the high end raid scene. Females are not desired

  12. #172
    Guilds that put that in their rules aren't worth more than a passing glance and possibly a bit of ridicule.

    We have a lot of female raiders in our guild and they aren't treated any differently from the males. MAybe it's because we're adults and not hormonal kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azshalorah View Post
    ...Now everything except for the 'no females' on that list I can understand. Can someone please enlighten me on this subject?

    Thanks!
    Azshalorah, thanks for your interest in our guild. Unfortunately, this is a gay porn hard raiding guild. I can understand your confusion on the subject and we should have been more clear in the admission guidelines. To give an example of why it's not appropriate to admit females I'll illustrate the following. It is not uncommon for our members to perform sexual explicit acts on corpses and each other after we down a boss and get into formation for a circle jerk. As you can see your being a woman would disrupt our standard modus operandi. Please consider this an apology for we did not intent to offend anyone, we just don't want their to be any misunderstandings.

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    Drama and usually subpar players who ride their gender to favor. This is my opinion from experience in hardcore raiding guilds, I speak for no one else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalium View Post
    Azshalorah, thanks for your interest in our guild. Unfortunately, this is a gay porn hard raiding guild. I can understand your confusion on the subject and we should have been more clear in the admission guidelines. To give an example of why it's not appropriate to admit females I'll illustrate the following. It is not uncommon for our members to perform sexual explicit acts on corpses and each other after we down a boss and get into formation for a circle jerk. As you can see your being a woman would disrupt our standard modus operandi. Please consider this an apology for we did not intent to offend anyone, we just don't want their to be any misunderstandings.

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  16. #176
    Probably for the same reeason they don't want anybody under 21, cause of the drama. The guild my main is in has probably lost about a dozen players over the course of WotlK and Cata due such drama, we get rid of the female causing the trouble but we always lose a few guys in the process as well who either decided beforehand or after they don't wanna stay in the same guild as her/or in a guild without her.

    At one point in Wotlk our rogue officer and a new female recruit started flirting and whatnot in vent. They kept at it for almost a month and at some point they realized they lived in the same city. Well at some point the girl called the cops on our officer for stalking her and had a restraining order put on him. The following week during one of our raid she broke down and admitted to him not stalking her and him not even ever being near her and tried to blame her actions on the "fact" that she was raped earlier on in her life.

    That no authenticator thing is lame as hell though. I have been playing for 6 years now with no authenticator and had zero problems. If you're not a dunce you shouldn't need an authenticator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sulfuric View Post
    Females are discouraged in high end raiding for a multitude of reasons, some of which are as follows:

    - Statistically worse than their male counterpart.
    - Statistically liable to cause drama themselves.
    - Statistically going to be involved in nerd driven male lust drama around them.
    - Generally less willing to take harsh criticism and use it to improve instead of combat it.
    - Generally less driven to min/max and micromanage their game to perfection.

    These are the main reasons females are frowned upon in high end raiding, there is the odd exception but when making the gamble of recruiting one of them the safe bet is to avoid them entirely. To avoid infraction, I am simply responding to the OP and laying out the facts. You're free to disagree or refute them but this is my experience in the high end raid scene. Females are not desired
    Where on earth you pull this from? Rubbish.

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  18. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by lunchbox2042 View Post
    They tend to be overemotional and cause unneeded drama. There's also the biological deficiency that plagues them once a month.
    Yes,

    Because women are clearly the only ones that EVER cause drama right? As I thought.

    Why don't you stop being a judgemental man-child,grow up and realize that PEOPLE in general cause drama?

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    Nihilum refused females for the longest time. Even in an interview they said they refused female raiders due to drama. They have a female raider(maybe more than one) now though. So that is the only answer, drama. As has been said, women can cause lots of troubles in a guild full of horny young boys/men.

  20. #180
    I play in a top 200 guild and a Realm First guild, and we have few female players. There is no drama at all, sexist jokes come from both sides, but everyone in guild is 23+ years old.

    When it comes to performing they are pretty much equal to male players. But, I gotta say, when it comes to getting stuff done, changing tactics or changing specs, they don't usually play on a high level as our male players do. When they do their usual task they are playing extremely well, ranking top 10 on WoL's and stuff like that.

    It's same with our male players, but from what I've noticed we work much better under pressure and can adapt more quickly to new strats or tasks.

    Just my thought tho...

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