Nibiru and Akkadians/Sumerians

[Themius]

What some people may not understand about ancient cultures is that their religion wasn't fixed in the sense that we understand religion today. The gods gained and lost importance, their spheres of influence could change, as could the objects and epithets associated with them.

A few reasons for this is that they originated in oral traditions that can change over time, different regions had different versions of the same myths and sometimes they encountered entirely new myths that they incorporated into their tradition. The most obvious example of this is Rome incorporating the myths of conquered peoples, but it was widespread in all cultures. It's an alien concept to us, as our religions have become very rigid in what is, and what isn't, canon.

So Nibiru being associated with Venus wouldn't preclude it from also being associated with Mars, or a place on Earth, or a person, or a god, or nowhere at all.

Another thing that bugs me is people claiming that ancient cultures couldn't have been as advanced as they were without extraterrestial influence - it's pretty insulting to them.

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Err, no it isn't. Lucifer as a name refers to Satan, but 'lucifer' as a Latin word means 'light bringer' (same root as our word 'lucid'), and isn't a name.

Actually Lucifer has nothing to do with Satan and the person who was referred to as Lucifer wasn't the Devil but a king. At least that's how it's told in the bible. It wasn't until years later did we refer to Satan as Lucifer and there are multiple reasons why. The fact is Lucifer as a name was first used as a name, not as a name for the Devil.

[Kalis]

Actually Lucifer has nothing to do with Satan and the person who was referred to as Lucifer wasn't the Devil but a king. At least that's how it's told in the bible. It wasn't until years later did we refer to Satan as Lucifer and there are multiple reasons why. The fact is Lucifer as a name was first used as a name, not as a name for the Devil.

The use of the capitalised word 'Lucifer' in the bible is a mistake. The Greek was 'phosphoros' (which translates as 'light bringer'), which was a translation of the original Hebrew 'helel'. Bible translators incorrectly used 'Lucifer' as a proper name, rather than in it's intended Greek and Hebrew forms of a description of the planet Venus, i.e. Venus the morning star/light bringer.

It was also not the name of a king, it was used as a biblical metaphor about a Babylonian king - as 'lucifer' is a Latin word, it couldn't have been the name of a king in a society that didn't use Latin.

Lucifer (capitalised) = Satan; not the planet Venus or a king.

lucifer (not capitalised) = a description of the planet Venus as seen during the morning; as opposed to Venus in the evening which is 'vesper' ('hesperos' in Greek).


n.b. Pre-hellenistic Greeks thought of 'phosphoros' and 'hesperos' as two separate objects in the sky, and did personify them.

As a side note; in Isiah, the Hebrew word 'helal' is translated as 'phosphoros' in Greek, 'lucifer' in Latin, and 'Lucifer' in English. In Peter, 'phosphoros' in Greek, is translated as 'lucifer' in Latin and 'light bringer' (or variants thereof) in English. Why is this? The verse in Peter refers to Jesus, which just goes to show how ridiculous the use of 'Lucifer' as a proper name is.