Burnished Warden Staff

[Konig]

Hey everyone,

Just a quick question regarding the Burnished Warden Staff heirloom

Will it be the superior heirloom weapon choice for monks compared to 2x Venerable Mass of McGowan ?

I was just wondering this because the whole 2h DK tanking thing comes to mind.

Anywho, thanks for reading and leaving replies.

-Konig

[MrElusive]

Will it matter ? For levels 1-71 everything will die to a couple of globals regardless of which option you pick.
Personally I will be using 2xMass McGowan because I already have them.

That said, the staff can be transmogged into this, which would be the deciding factor for me if I had to get everything from scratch.

[bybis]

Just started level my first monk in beta and so far I'm not big fan of them two maces my jab doesn't hit that hard, will try staff later when servers gets back online.

[Konig]

Just started level my first monk in beta and so far I'm not big fan of them two maces my jab doesn't hit that hard, will try staff later when servers gets back online.

Awesome, much appreciated.

[MrElusive]

That's just Jab being weak in general, last time I checked Monk specials are based on weapon DPS and AP, and the way the formula works out, 2h and dual wield will do the same damage assuming all weapons are the same ilvl.

[Konig]

That's just Jab being weak in general, last time I checked Monk specials are based on weapon DPS and AP, and the way the formula works out, 2h and dual wield will do the same damage assuming all weapons are the same ilvl.

Thanks for the info.

[Ujio]

Will it matter ? For levels 1-71 everything will die to a couple of globals regardless of which option you pick.
Personally I will be using 2xMass McGowan because I already have them.

Nifflevar Bearded Axe is gonna be so boss then switching to Berto\'s Staff

for comparison the mass of mcgowan is 120 dps @ lvl 80 o_O

[Mihir]

DW and 2H are nearly equal, if the weapons have similar itemlevel/stats. DW slightly pulls ahead but not by a big enough margin to notice a difference while leveling.

[Ujio]

btw is wowdb pulling some funky numbers or ? cos nifflevar's are like 171dps on live atm

[Mackeyser]

For Brewmasters, the staff is key because of the hit/exp capping.

Even at low levels, you REALLY don't want to miss on your Keg Smash which will be your primary threat generator early on. If you miss with that, you'll have mobs all over the place with very little ability to get them back, especially in a PuG setting.

Dual Wield tanking just won't work in MoP for Monks because of this. Even at early levels, unless all you do is quest/grind mobs and don't care about melee misses, the Staff makes a HUGE difference.

I leveled a Brewmaster to 68 before I went with a premade at 85 (just got tired of all the broken quests) and I used the heirloom sword/mace combo to start before they made the staff available and I can say that my dmg went up and was far less up and down with the staff.

As well, it does make a difference getting used to the slower swing speed.

[MrElusive]

Even at low levels, you REALLY don't want to miss on your Keg Smash which will be your primary threat generator early on. If you miss with that, you'll have mobs all over the place with very little ability to get them back, especially in a PuG setting.

Wait, what? The staff doesn't have any hit/exp on it and the DW hit penalty only apply to white hits, so there is no way that it should make a difference for Keg Smash(or any other special).

[Mihir]

btw is wowdb pulling some funky numbers or ? cos nifflevar's are like 171dps on live atm

Weapon dps is going up by a lot for all weapons with MoP, the numbers of wowdb are correct.

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As well, it does make a difference getting used to the slower swing speed.

Swing speed has no influence on your energy / chi generation tho, so it shouldn't matter. Besides, 2h weapons get a 40% attack speed increase, so the swing speed should be fairly similar.

[Ujio]

Weapon dps is going up by a lot for all weapons with MoP, the numbers of wowdb are correct.

Excellent...

[Valient]

You can't Dual Wield until level 10, so the staff is the only heirloom weapon you can use until level 10. Admittedly this isn't a huge factor for most people, but if you want the best then you'll need the staff for levels 1-10 at the very least.

[Mihir]

Using a single mace for 1-10 isnt that much slower, since you'll be 2shotting the mobs anyway.

[Drifted]

You can't Dual Wield until level 10, so the staff is the only heirloom weapon you can use until level 10. Admittedly this isn't a huge factor for most people, but if you want the best then you'll need the staff for levels 1-10 at the very least.

Not if you are playing panda. There's no mailboxes in 1-10 panda zone in beta. So no heirlooms before you choose your faction.

[Valient]

Using a single mace for 1-10 isnt that much slower, since you'll be 2shotting the mobs anyway.

Sorry, spent a fair bit of time in http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...-at-launch-day thread so working on the assumption of try to min max. You do have other options although, there is still a fair amount of time to get the staff before MoP launch if you wanted to, with relatively small amount of effort.

If you choose to go panda then this is all completely mute. Personally, I am looking to blast to 90 asap (without using RAF) so i'll be going human to avoid the masses and take advantage of guilds perks heirlooms etc from lvl 1, not to mention I think the rep bonus will be amazing considering the rep grinds we'll have to do to gear up

[Deipfryde]

Not if you are playing panda. There's no mailboxes in 1-10 panda zone in beta. So no heirlooms before you choose your faction.

I'm pretty sure there are mailboxes, for this particular purpose. Heirlooms can be sent cross-faction, so there's no restriction in sending them to a pandaren. I saw pandas in heirlooms, on the Wandering Isle, in beta. Because of faction restrictions, heirlooms will be the only thing you can send.. bags and money and such will still be restricted until after the faction choice is made.

Heirlooms is one of those things I tend to RP a bit. My lowbies don't get them until they get to the major city, or at least a major quest hub with a mailbox. The starting zones are balanced for 'toons without heirlooms, and the XP push really isn't a benefit at that level, so I'll be holding them back until he gets to Orgrimmar.

I was about to post a thread about this item since I haven't heard anything in a while. Glad to know it's still there, and that it's available on PTR. That means I'll be able to buy it (and enchant it +Agi) at 5.0, before MoP launches.

I'm kind of surprised that no one's buying enchants for this. I've had the enchant up on the AH for a couple weeks now, I've only sold one. Maybe the "normals" don't know about the heirloom, and it'll pick up after 5.0 launches. Granted, it's expensive.. the mats alone cost around 800g, so I've been selling it for around 1000g. All things considered, that's not really that much these days, especially for a long-lasting enchant for heirlooms.

[MrElusive]

I'm pretty sure there are mailboxes, for this particular purpose.

Not in the current build, unless they change it(again), if you want to go Pandaren, no heirloom for you!

[Deipfryde]

As I said, it doesn't bother me in the slightest, as he won't be getting his heirlooms until later anyway. But it was definitely there previously, I didn't know that they'd removed it.