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  1. #281
    Quote Originally Posted by DrakeWurrum View Post
    Gemstones being required for transmutation, I will dare to say, is just downright stupid. Would have preferred a proper wardrobe tab. It's one of my few complaints of GW2, but it's much more minor in my book than the story-telling.
    I really hope there's something we haven't seen that gives you transmutation stones. I know there's the ones you get from 100% completion but those are lvl 1-79 aren't they? So you're screwed at lvl 80. What I'm hoping for is that you can get them from DEs or EDEs in Orr, chests from EDEs in Orr would be pretty awesome.

    It's a game all about cosmetic gear but you can't even take advantage of the system unless you pay money...pretty damn lame imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psilo View Post
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    The post above mine wins. I forgot about that video.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    The "world" in World of Warcraft is barely accessed and in its place the vast majority of the player base is only interested in instant gratification i.e., fast queues for everything, portals to everywhere, finishing dungeons and non-progression raids as quickly as possible... the the point where I've seen somebody try to vote-kick a tank for taking 60 seconds to repair his gear and clear his bags at the start of a dungeon.

    We used to explore every nook and cranny of Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor on foot, before we had flying mounts - because we were immersed in a WORLD. In place of that we are now entering an expansion that's major selling points (aside from the scenarios, which sound cool) are WoW-Pokemon, WoW-Farmville, and WoW-Kung Fu Pandas. This is coming directly after an expansion that gave us WoW-Twilight Worgen and WoW-Plants vs Zombies.

    Anybody with clarity of mind can see what's going on there. WoW is a game for kids that happens to have some old veterans that are keeping it real... I'm one of them, but I recognize what is happening.

    GW2 is not full of all that... shit. I don't think they need hype because people know quality when they see it.
    I played the beta weekends and there was still a lot of lippy azz kids playing, I thought the game was really good for the graphics and so forth, just not for me. It seems all the MMOs have the lippy azz kids trolling or smarting off. Thank god for ignore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grandpab View Post
    It's a game all about cosmetic gear but you can't even take advantage of the system unless you pay money...pretty damn lame imo.
    Even with buying gems for gold, agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bosshock View Post
    I played the beta weekends and there was still a lot of lippy azz kids playing, I thought the game was really good for the graphics and so forth, just not for me. It seems all the MMOs have the lippy azz kids trolling or smarting off. Thank god for ignore.
    I didn't notice kids like that.

    Unless you're talking about the trolls in map chat mouthing off about WoW being their patron deity. But who pays attention to people in public chat channels? O_o
    Last edited by DrakeWurrum; 2012-08-20 at 11:04 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awe View Post
    What exactly happened and when did it happened that caused GW2 to be such a highly anticipated game? I mean, GW2 is all over the place right now. One could even get an impression that it is regarded by some as a savior of the MMO genre. I keep asking myself how did this happen. I played GW1 since its release in 2005 and I loved it. But the fact remains, that I know very few people who actually ever even tried that game.
    Not sure here. GW 1 did have the tag as "WoW Killer on this very forum - and now GW2 has that tag. Maybe your impression is fuelled by the forums you visit? People seem to need that next game to topple the current champion....
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    One cause is a cognitive bias called projection bias. Essentially living inside your own head your entire life makes it exceedingly difficult to understand how others do not also live your same life, think your same thoughts, and hold your same beliefs. In many cases it's quite frustrating to try to empathize and understand why you yourself may not be the center of the universe, which generally results in one 'acting out' in various ways.
    So, in short: the internet.

  5. #285
    Guys, you get T-stones for clearing the zones 100% and from the ZQ boxes.

    No cash shop needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    Guys, you get T-stones for clearing the zones 100% and from the ZQ boxes.

    No cash shop needed.
    What is this ZQ?
    I hope you haven't forgotten my role in this little story. I'm the leading man. You know what they say about the leading man? He never dies.

    If you give in to your impulses in this world, the price is that it changes your personality in the real world. The player and character are one and the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    Guys, you get T-stones for clearing the zones 100% and from the ZQ boxes.

    No cash shop needed.
    But they aren't fine transmutation stones. Also, wats a zq box?

    http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Transmutation_Stone

    High-level transmutation stones will be available for purchase through the Gem Store, while lower-level stones will be available through other in-game methods.
    Last edited by grandpab; 2012-08-20 at 11:19 PM.

  8. #288
    The Zaishen boxes you need ZQ keys for? I can't recall the name of them in GW2. But they are Z-keys/chests all the same. Mystic box/Black Lion box thingies. They have a chance to give the fine T-stones. I got like 3.
    Last edited by Fencers; 2012-08-20 at 11:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grandpab View Post
    But they aren't fine transmutation stones.
    Oh yes, also that.

    A Transmutation Stone is a single use[1] item which allows players to combine two weapons or pieces of armor, gaining a desired aesthetic look from one piece, and a desired set of statistical modifiers from the other. High-level transmutation stones will be available for purchase through the Gem Store, while lower-level stones will be available through other in-game methods.
    I hope you haven't forgotten my role in this little story. I'm the leading man. You know what they say about the leading man? He never dies.

    If you give in to your impulses in this world, the price is that it changes your personality in the real world. The player and character are one and the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    Guys, you get T-stones for clearing the zones 100% and from the ZQ boxes.

    No cash shop needed.
    As far as I know, that's only for items before level 80.

    Edit: Boo, got scooped.
    Last edited by Sylvanie; 2012-08-20 at 11:21 PM.

  11. #291
    Quote Originally Posted by DrakeWurrum View Post
    Oh yes, also that.
    Not sure if that is accurate or perhaps a beta thing. Though I distinctly remember first seeing the difference between normal t-stones and the fine version through the ZQ boxes.

    If it is no longer the case- whatever. Agreed, lame.
    Last edited by Fencers; 2012-08-20 at 11:26 PM.

  12. #292
    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvanie View Post
    I didn't say otherwise; my point is that gemstones, one way, or the other, are a big step up in costs from the nominal gold fee in WoW (or the entirely free wardrobe in Rift). You'll either pay for them with real money or with your time. Note that I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but it's not an advantage of GW2 over WoW or Rift; it's one thing where WoW and Rift are more convenient.
    We'll have to wait and see what the in-game exchange rates are for gems but judging by what they cost in beta, I'd say GW2's price in gold for a tranmute stone will represent very little time investment. The stones only cost like 150 gems and that could have been bought for less than 1 gold in beta if memory serves. Personally, I have no problem ponying up U.S. dollars for them. They need cash shop transactions to fund the game after all and there is a value for me in that item.

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    You have to remember that gem price will be impacted by market fluctuations. Beta won't accurately reflect such fluctuations.
    I hope you haven't forgotten my role in this little story. I'm the leading man. You know what they say about the leading man? He never dies.

    If you give in to your impulses in this world, the price is that it changes your personality in the real world. The player and character are one and the same.

  14. #294
    Quote Originally Posted by DrakeWurrum View Post
    You have to remember that gem price will be impacted by market fluctuations. Beta won't accurately reflect such fluctuations.
    Yep, I'm well aware of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osprey39 View Post
    Personally, I have no problem ponying up U.S. dollars for them. They need cash shop transactions to fund the game after all and there is a value for me in that item.
    I don't have any problems paying money for it, either. However, I was responding to a post that said that being able to transmute gear was a benefit of GW2 over other games. As it is right now, the opposite is true, because it's more convenient and accessible in WoW and Rift.

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    I was not originally going to play Guild Wars 2. I had never played Guild Wars 1 and really didn't know much about it. I had heard many people from my game saying they were going to go to GW2, but I never became interested.

    As time passed on though I heard a few things about GW2 that made my ears perk...interesting details and discussions about WvW PvP - a concept that sounded amazing... and something I've never had a chance to do.

    I am so pumped about this game. I have been so accustomed to my sad view that "PvP" was queuing for the same, small-scale instanced maps over and over again. While that is fun to me and I don't dislike it, this concept of some new type of PvP is very exhilirating to me... it's hard to find novel experiences in the mmo genre.

    Still going to play my other game for now... no idea if GW2 will become my new full time home. But I'm open to the possibility of it becoming so
    Last edited by Shlamorel; 2012-08-21 at 02:39 AM.

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    I think it's kinda funny that GW2 actually got me to buy GW1, and then I actually ended up kinda liking GW1.

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    Didn't Anet say that anything in the Gem shop is also obtainable in game, so therefore only having Transmute stones from the shop would be kind of contradictory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherrysoul View Post
    Didn't Anet say that anything in the Gem shop is also obtainable in game, so therefore only having Transmute stones from the shop would be kind of contradictory.
    They didn't say that. They did say that you can use gold to buy gems so theoretically you don't have to spend any real money for anything in the gem store. The transmutation stones can be gotten in game but that only works for levels 1-79. Level 80 stones can only be gotten through the gem store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carnifex2005 View Post
    They didn't say that. They did say that you can use gold to buy gems so theoretically you don't have to spend any real money for anything in the gem store. The transmutation stones can be gotten in game but that only works for levels 1-79. Level 80 stones can only be gotten through the gem store.
    My bad i meant to say cash shop items that are not appearance items(costumes etc), are in game. My understanding is stones, xp, karma etc and so on which are sold as boosts in the shop are ofc in game, so why would level 80 stones only be available in the shop? Makes no sense to me.

    Well FMD

    A Transmutation Stone is a single use[1] item which allows players to combine two weapons or pieces of armor, gaining a desired aesthetic look from one piece, and a desired set of statistical modifiers from the other. High-level transmutation stones will be available for purchase through the Gem Store, while lower-level stones will be available through other in-game methods.

    Transmutation Stone - 5 for 125 Gem.png, 10 for 225 Gem.png, 25 for 500 Gem.png

    One Use. Combine the appearance and attributes of two like items up to level 79 into one custom item.

    Fine Transmutation Stone - 5 for 200 Gem.png, 10 for 360 Gem.png, 25 for 800 Gem.png

    One Use. Combine the appearance and attributes of two like items. Works on any items.
    I stand corrected, lol, Damn you Anet
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