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This is a witch hunt, pure and simple. He's absolutely innocent by all standards.
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First, the USADA didn't strip him of his titles, if you read the news closely you notice that they never did..... The media speculated in their headlines.
Speculation is... since he's charged guilty for doping, and banned for life, the UCI will strip him of the titles.
And in regard of the hundreds of tests... Test procedures change, as the medical field gets smarter.. If hundreds of results were inconclusive (like some of his were) or clean, that didn't mean he was clean. They also didn't catch the other athletes back then who meanwhile confessed of the doping.
There was a time where blood doping wasn't possible to prove.. Now it is.. That's just one example.
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Innocent until proven guilty,
and the fact that hist test-samples so far have been negative I say he should keep his titles.
The irony is if he were stripped, many of his titles (3) would fall to Jan Ulrich, an already convicted doper.
When they developed a test that could detect EPO in 2000 his preserved urine samples from 1999 tested positive. He was cleared on the basis that the samples might have been held incorrectly. Also his lawyer was apparently some high-profile guy who had a lot of experience with other doping atheletes.
They say he wasn't willing to go to arbitration because there's so much evidence against him he wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
They have witnesses against him. That's sufficient.
And for him giving up, tired of throwing his money away because of it?
I don't know if anyone here is aware that if he gets stripped off his titles, he will also lose the crap-load of prize money he won with the titles and races?
There are new procedures. if he had nothing to lose, he could have just taken another test. He refused.. I would too if I know they would find something I wanna actually hide. If I knew they won't find anything I'd so it, because then I can make them look like a bunch of idiots and embarrass them.
Last edited by Wildtree; 2012-08-24 at 10:38 PM.
Far as I'm aware there's no positive tests on his record, only the word of several people, atleast one of whom it should be added is a confirmed drugs cheat, in my book that somewhat makes what they're doing somewhat of a joke, the guy is clean and far as I'm concerned he's still one of the most inspiring athletes around.
Last edited by koodledrum; 2012-08-24 at 10:39 PM. Reason: yeah I mistyped!
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I think if they want the prize money back he should tell them to 'bloody piss off, prove me guilty first you chickenshits'
because if they try and sue him in court they'll have to prove it... and if they could they'd have presented their *cough*evidence*cough* already... USADA is a bunch of corrupt attention whores.
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Who is this THEY you speak of? He has been in arbitration for a majority of the past decade and the USADA has still not shown any evidence that he was guilty. They even sent it to the criminal courts and those charges were dropped when it was determined that there was not enough evidence to convict him and that some of the evidence given was tainted and false.
when all else fails, read the STICKIES.
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But soon after Mr Xi secured a third term, Apple released a new version of the feature in China, limiting its scope. Now Chinese users of iPhones and other Apple devices are restricted to a 10-minute window when receiving files from people who are not listed as a contact. After 10 minutes, users can only receive files from contacts.
Apple did not explain why the update was first introduced in China, but over the years, the tech giant has been criticised for appeasing Beijing.
Except that he passed multiple, (I think he claims hundreds) of screens and they find two that might be tainted?
USADA - American agency where you are guilty until proven innocent.
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The USADA, yet another consequence of liberal governance. I’m surprised that they didn’t want to give six of his seven medals to women, blacks or Latinos.
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