Horde races at MoP

[Illisar]

There were 2 "beasts" in Cata (Beth and Chimaeron), 2 fights in Wrath (NRB and Maexxna in Naxx), 1 in BC and a much larger amount in Vanilla. It's not really a valid reason to pick troll. The CD is really the base of comparison and honestly it seems like the new Panda racial beats out Orc expertise/cooldown, Goblin haste/jump, Troll cooldown/beast, new undead, and blood elf.

I'd have to see a log to believe that extra food buff outweighs 20% haste every 3 minutes. Thats a personal bloodlust(nearly) every 3 minutes and is a stable dps cooldown for ANY rogue, especially since it effects energy regen, so in early tiers I imagine it will invaluable to the rogues that are Trolls.(Just to be clear, I'm not saying the food racial isn't a strong one or even good, it is but like others have stated, it's not enough for me to race change.)

[Jinivus]

I'd have to see a log to believe that extra food buff outweighs 20% haste every 3 minutes. Thats a personal bloodlust(nearly) every 3 minutes and is a stable dps cooldown for ANY rogue, especially since it effects energy regen, so in early tiers I imagine it will invaluable to the rogues that are Trolls.(Just to be clear, I'm not saying the food racial isn't a strong one or even good, it is but like others have stated, it's not enough for me to race change.)

Doing the math(been awhile) it was hard to decide between troll and goblin for me, troll mathed out to be close to 1% flat... 300 agi vs 425 haste.

[Projali]

I'd have to see a log to believe that extra food buff outweighs 20% haste every 3 minutes. Thats a personal bloodlust(nearly) every 3 minutes and is a stable dps cooldown for ANY rogue, especially since it effects energy regen, so in early tiers I imagine it will invaluable to the rogues that are Trolls.(Just to be clear, I'm not saying the food racial isn't a strong one or even good, it is but like others have stated, it's not enough for me to race change.)

If you use it on cooldown and get full use of it during the 20 seconds, it averages to 1.1% attack speed over a 3 minute period. Fights like H Rag where you need more burst than sustained I can see it being better. However, if you aren't able to utilize it 100% on every cooldown then it's worse than the goblin racial for overall dps. Both Troll and Goblin benefit Combat Potency but I don't know if that's better than the increased flat stat buff Pandas get.

Either way, it's a pretty miniscule effect and only top tier guilds will notice.

[Invictus9001]

The thought of a Panda sneaking around and then leaping out to slit someone's throat.. almost like some evil Ninja Turtle-type of thing, is humorous.

In all honesty though, I've got to give the edge (in opinion, not thoroughly tested mind you) to Trolls. The Berserking racial, combined with.. let's say Skinning (crits) and Herbalism (Lifeblood haste/mini-heal) makes for a delicious combination.

[Projali]

In all honesty though, I've got to give the edge (in opinion, not thoroughly tested mind you) to Trolls. The Berserking racial, combined with.. let's say Skinning (crits) and Herbalism (Lifeblood haste/mini-heal) makes for a delicious combination.

The problem there is every crafting profession is better than gathering for dps purposes.

[Last Starfighter]

Racials smashrials. Undead rule.

[Invictus9001]

The problem there is every crafting profession is better than gathering for dps purposes.

The counter to that is that you don't gain experience for crafting a piece of armor or a weapon. If that were the case, it'd be obvious to choose crafting. As it is, strictly speaking in a non min-max fashion (as I intended to, but apparently didn't clarify), gathering + xp = leveling faster and preferable, IMO. You can save worrying over Recount for when you hit 90.

If you wanted to go min-max'ing, I suppose either BS/JC as a combo, or JC/Enchanting would be top numbers, due to crunching on the extra sockets and access to JC only gems (BS+JC) or JC-only cuts + Enchanter-only chants like ring chants (JC + Enchant).

[Sesshou]

If you wanted to go min-max'ing, I suppose either BS/JC as a combo, or JC/Enchanting would be top numbers, due to crunching on the extra sockets and access to JC only gems (BS+JC) or JC-only cuts + Enchanter-only chants like ring chants (JC + Enchant).

Enchanting is the same bonus as leather working and inscription (might be another one I'm forgetting). You get the same amount of primary stats, just differs in what piece gives them to you.

On a side note, the thought of 300 agi makes me cry about my BE racial (in pve), but I'd never pick a panda anyway.

[shadowboy]

If you use it on cooldown and get full use of it during the 20 seconds, it averages to 1.1% attack speed over a 3 minute period. Fights like H Rag where you need more burst than sustained I can see it being better. However, if you aren't able to utilize it 100% on every cooldown then it's worse than the goblin racial for overall dps. Both Troll and Goblin benefit Combat Potency but I don't know if that's better than the increased flat stat buff Pandas get.

Either way, it's a pretty miniscule effect and only top tier guilds will notice.

The 1.1% haste for Troll racial is a lower bound assuming you never wait on it and the fight ends right as it comes off cooldown. Most of the time it averages out to more. Also note that the troll racial is haste (increases energy regen) and the goblin racial is attack speed (does not increase energy regen).

[Illisar]

Yup, And Trolls be flippin out mon. I love my troll Rogue and wont be rerolling to a puffy panda.

[Invictus9001]

Enchanting is the same bonus as leather working and inscription (might be another one I'm forgetting). You get the same amount of primary stats, just differs in what piece gives them to you..

I tend to think of Enchanting first though due to the fact my main is an Enchanter (as well as Tailor). (Granted, I do have one toon that is max Skinning/LW, and another as max Herbalism + Inscription, but still..) Also due to the fact that all the greens/even blues you won't use when leveling the JC prof you can DE for mats to feed the Enchanting prof. Still, I understand where you're coming from, just offering my two cents.

[Styxz]

Are there any numbers on ToTG v. Panda?