Ret Paladin 5.0.4 Guide

[Krekko]

Clc default has tvdp at the beginning of the rotation. Is that correct? .

No. I'd assume it's like this because people who use CLCRet don't go ahead and track the time on their DP proc, so it has them consume it once it's up.

TV DP abides by the same rules as TV 3 would, a little higher even. DP procs only off HP consuming abilities, so as long as you use it before the 8 seconds are up, you should get in your other HP generating abilities first until 5HP, Free GCD, all HP generators on CD, or your DP Buff is about to wear off.

[Reith]

Strictly speaking, no; if you have a Holy Power generating ability off its cooldown, that ability should have priority over TVDP - thus, logically, TVDP should be at the very bottom. However, on dummy testing, I noticed that I would end up wasting a lot of these procs

If you get into a situation where you're at 0 HP and you have consistent HP generators because of exorcism procs, just use DP right before the proc is going to expire.

[duledarth]

Great thread, thanks a lot

[BloodGutter]

Anyone know if any of the BiS gear changed? Heroic gurth is pretty much still king, but heroic tier shoulders have haste which is our top stat now. Would it be worth getting those over Heroic Backbreaker Spaulders (which have a bit more strength, and mast/crit)?

Probably not a big deal but if I still like to have my character do the most dps even if new content is out in a few weeks

[Skulldancer]

Anyone know if any of the BiS gear changed? Heroic gurth is pretty much still king, but heroic tier shoulders have haste which is our top stat now. Would it be worth getting those over Heroic Backbreaker Spaulders (which have a bit more strength, and mast/crit)?

Probably not a big deal but if I still like to have my character do the most dps even if new content is out in a few weeks

IMO the'yre pretty much even considering the ilvl a possibly Tier edging out slightly now.

[Kendels]

BiS profile has Seal of Truth at 2200 DPS and Censure at 4300 DPS, a total of 6500 DPS.. With a 30% boost on SoT and a 50% reduction on Censure, we get:

2200 x 1.3 = 2860
6500 x 0.5 = 3250

For a grand total of 6110, a loss of about 400 DPS. While this will certainly be fairly awesome for killing things quickly (example: leveling to 90), it's not a gain for sustained damage.

How did this go for almost 2 weeks with no one pointing out your math is wrong? The glyph does not reduce the 'total' damage of seal of truth + censure by 50%, would not be much point in raising the instant damage by 30% only to turn around and reduce it by 50%.(sorry not constructive i guess)

It should look like this:

2200 x 1.3 = 2860
4300 x 0.5 = 2150

Pre glyph DPS = 6500
Postglyph DPS = 5010

Resulting in a DPS loss of 1490.. not 390.
Your point is still valid that this may be a decent glyph for leveling, so long as your target dies quickly. If your running dungeons for XP, this could be a bad glyph choice.

[Rio]

Something I've never understood.. Why is 5 HP (capped) TV take priority over 3 HP TV? Wouldn't it essentially be the same DPS if I just cast TV when at 3 HP?

[Rucession]

Something I've never understood.. Why is 5 HP (capped) TV take priority over 3 HP TV? Wouldn't it essentially be the same DPS if I just cast TV when at 3 HP?

You want to put your Holy Power generators on cooldown as soon as possible, as often as possible (unless capped). Using 3HP TV when you have an HP generator off cooldown pushes back the effective cooldown of that ability, lessening your overall HP generation.

[Elim Garak]

Something I've never understood.. Why is 5 HP (capped) TV take priority over 3 HP TV? Wouldn't it essentially be the same DPS if I just cast TV when at 3 HP?

Can you imagine a situation in which you have an option to choose between the two?
The priority simply tells you to dump HP if you have 5 of it and Inquisition is already up.
5HP TV has the highest priority over not just 3HP TV - but all abilities ('cept for Inquisition).
Because using those abilities while having 5HP will result in waste of HP.
Only Inquisition is more important than 5HP TV, pretty obvious why.

EDIT: As mentioned above my post: if you are not at 5 HP and HP generator is off CD - you are better off using that HP generator

[Snorri]

I am using Divine Purpose talent. Is this the correct rotation?

inq inqdp tv5 how exo tvdp cs j

[Azshira]

I am using Divine Purpose talent. Is this the correct rotation?

inq inqdp tv5 how exo tvdp cs j

TV's DP should be at the end, after CS and J. You want your generators to be on cd before using TV3/DV DP.

[Krekko]

TV's DP should be at the end, after CS and J. You want your generators to be on cd before using TV3/DV DP.

As long as you have >2 seconds on the DP proc left, yupp.

[Azshira]

As long as you have >2 seconds on the DP proc left, yupp.

Oh yes would be sad to let the DP run out xD

[mikwhe]

Anyone able to Skype with me to help teach me to play a ret pally? I'm 33 so please no kids, would like an adult, don't want any problems with parents or there other. Email me if you can help me. Im hands on so watching videos does not help or reading what to do..I just want to pvp and win

[Deleted]

Why stack 5 holy power? What's the benefit? I haven't seen any disadvantage by just stacking 3.

[Fhi]

Why stack 5 holy power? What's the benefit? I haven't seen any disadvantage by just stacking 3.

Because the disadvantage is not something you can see.

It's addressed in red font in the sticky a few thread above you.

Why do you want to go to 5HP? Why not use TV at 3?: It's more beneficial to do TV at 5HP over three (situationally) because you want to keep your HP generators on cool down. This will maximize your HP gains, as well as your DPS. The times you'll want to use TV at 3 or 4 HP, are when your HP generators are on CD and you have a free GCD to use it. The point is not to just sit there!

As a general rule of thumb, if you can immediately receive and have room for HP, don't use TV!

[Krekko]

Why stack 5 holy power? What's the benefit? I haven't seen any disadvantage by just stacking 3.

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For your answer check the Ret Sticky please. It's been covered there on multiple occasions! If you have any more information you'd like to see or need please post in that thread.