Yea, I know what you are saying. I feel I could do this (raid without gear) in WoW because the content is sufficiently engaging; at least so far as it's not outlived its useful life, such as the current set of content in WoW. But that's mostly because I enjoy the people I play with. I'll reiterate what I've said 3 times now; I'm hopeful for explorable dungeons as engaging content.$60 on vanity armor (ie, pay for the new expansion just for the vanity armor)? If I'm reading you correctly, I have to just laugh...I'll buy the expansion, for the content. The "vanity armor" is just a bonus, above and beyond that, and allows goals to be set. It's the exact same model that worked for years in GW1, so such skepticism is unwarranted.