Last edited by Doctorant; 2013-10-08 at 07:04 AM. Reason: clarification
Got the Nazgrim's Insignia this ID...but can't get myself to drop the horridon trinket...using warforged amp combined with Horridons nh...a pally mate used the multistrike trinket during our raid and it ranged from 1-3% of his healing done...
In the end it depends on how much you need the manareg from horridons...
Norushen 10H: 06:22, Cloudburst 80377 mana -> 1052 MP5
Sha of Pride 10H: 07:59, Cloudburst 104128 mana -> 1087 MP5
Galakras 10H: 12:15, Cloudburst 191377 mana -> 1301 MP5
Iron Juggernaut 10H: 07:14, Cloudburst 185156 mana -> 2133 MP5
All of these were with 7170 haste BP which is 35% buffed haste. (There is also a possibility of haste not being that because I've been playing a lot with gemming/reforges. However, I am quite confident I had those haste values).
Please tell me if there is something wrong, I'm quite exhausted atm. Also, could someone verify if mana gained is seen even if I have full mana. Because this made me think about it
Alchemist's Rejuvenation 30288 mana.
I can't imagine why that potion would give less than the tooltip value 31 500 mana.
Anyway, it seems the difference with Siegecrafter and Horridon's is smaller than previously calcualted. Not sure where the mistake is (if there is one). AHA! I made calculations from different week logs last time. That week I got a bit more mana from Horridon's but the mana gained difference wasn't that huge.
EDIT: Also, has someone computed the MP5 from 2/2 upgraded Siegecrafter trinket? Someone had computed before it would be 1200 MP5 but it seems that value is too low. If that's wrong then my assumption of Horridon's being better would be wrong.
EDIT2: And anyway if I was wrong about Horridon being better on regen point of view I don't still see point using it because the difference of int is so huge. However, apologize of being wrong if someone can show the math of siegecrafter trinket. Not sure about that.
Last edited by Doctorant; 2013-10-08 at 11:47 AM.
I dont have logs on the Blackfuse Trinket since I didnt equip it right away, but what I later found out is that it scales with the amp trinket from Sha. The Tooltip shows 25340 Spirit @ nhc 2/2 but the procc actually gives 27497 Spirit in combination with Sha heroic 2/2.
Assuming you saw my post on WoWHead giving DSoD 1255 mp5 at base, but that was assuming 16% haste as its a bit more general class level, since updated to the more realistic 30% haste giving 1417, and using the same system to calculate that they compare out as:
HLG H 2/2: 1440.81
DSoD 2/2: 1590.01
Thats 35% haste and a 31% modifier on Horridon's to account for proc stacking. BUT if you add on a 2/2 PPoP (Amp trinket) you push that value up to 1717.21, which I think is probably how it was balanced, and certainly pushes it up to even some of the luckier streaks with HLG.
Also to add haste builds show some nice behaviour with Horridon's. In ToT max stack I saw was 3, but wiht haste builds it is not uncommon to see 5 stacks of the trinket.
Haha yeah, I didn't add any maths to my description because its just so fucking complicated! Added a screenshot of the system I used for Wowhead calcs if you want to see how its done and make sure nothing went derp ( http://i.imgur.com/gt4f8KG.jpg ) and if gdocs didn't release my full name and business email when I publish it, I'd gladly put it out there for public use if anyone is interested in really looking into the meat of it throw me a PM with a Google addy and I'll happily let you sniff around.
Last edited by Lohe; 2013-10-09 at 09:20 AM.
Hey fam i'm new to this whole holy paladin drill (comming from being a Mistweaver!) any tips on gemming and gearing for 25M raids at low 515-530 Ilvls would be much appreciated!! us.battle.net/wow/en/character/illidan/Arapal/simple
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so if im understanding correctly, I would want to go with Mastery/Spirit build and spam LoD while keeping HS on cd?
Long time lurker, first time poster here. I am in a 10man guild getting ready to start Heroics. Was just wondering if I should stick with my current setup or would switching to SH be better in the long run
us.battle.net/wow/en/character/turalyon/ Qutie/ advanced
How crit is compared to haste or mastery? Is it better to use warforged crit item over haste, mastery item?