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  1. #381
    Quote Originally Posted by Kerfax View Post
    I went through and updated the original post to match Patch 5.3. If there are any clear mistakes let me know and I'll fix the guide.
    Yeah, update the title to reflect that. Right now it says 5.0

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  3. #383
    So, we're obviously not happy about Paladins in 5.3 and so far on 5.4 ptr. So what issues need to be addressed? For me:

    - HP generation. 4 second Holy Shock just felt right. There was a time when it seemed too strong but I don't think that's the case now.
    - Punitive mechanics. I just don't see why Divine Plea and Hand of Sacrifice need downsides. Other tank externals don't and mana cooldowns (aside from priest hymn but that's a raid cooldown) generally don't. Ditch them.
    - EF tier. Make EF baseline for Holy (balancing around it is an impossible job within the tier). Shove something else in that tier. If all else fails get rid of EF entirely and increase our spread raid healing options some other way.
    - Do something with Stay of Execution. I don't know what. Just something.
    - Allow Holy some additional bonus to Aura Mastery. Making it physical too wouldn't be the end of the world.
    - Beacon overhealing. Not as bad in 10s but ridiculous in 25s. Allow a % of beacon overhealing to be transferred to something else. A shield. A hot. Charge up your next LoD ala Wild Mushrooms.

    Not necessary all, but I'd like some of the issues to be addressed.

  4. #384
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucyrotten View Post
    I'm doing around 140k hps on Tortos with T15 2pc. We're not like bad or anything. The sky did not fall, Chicken Little.
    Say again?

  5. #385
    Quote Originally Posted by oggyowl View Post
    Say again?
    Sorry, got it wrong... I'm doing around 170k hps on Tortos with T15 2pc.

    In unrelated news... PANIC!

  6. #386
    new to hpala and i've got a question about the tier set from ToT, is it any good compared to the t14 one?
    should i try to upgrade my old t14 to t15 set asap?

  7. #387
    The T14 used to be far better as bonus but since it was nerfed to 5 seconds you're probably better going for the stat increases of the T15 gear regardless of the tier bonuses.

  8. #388
    Quote Originally Posted by tidus93 View Post
    new to hpala and i've got a question about the tier set from ToT, is it any good compared to the t14 one?
    should i try to upgrade my old t14 to t15 set asap?
    The T15 set is pretty terrible, with the exception of the Shoulders and Helm you'll want to be aiming for off-sets, only picking up tier pieces where they're a flat ilvl upgrade

  9. #389
    Alright thanks Xs.
    I've got another few new paladin questions, when should i be hitting stuff to get mana back? is it really worth it?
    are there any good macros for hitting stuff without having to target manually and autoattacking?
    and last question, should i be using crusader strike to build holy points?

    I hope im not too much of a bother D:

  10. #390
    Do Hpaladins spam holy radiance during aoe damage?
    Quote Originally Posted by Validity View Post
    If rogues become shit, all they can become is a different type of shit.

  11. #391
    Quote Originally Posted by tidus93 View Post
    Alright thanks Xs.
    I've got another few new paladin questions, when should i be hitting stuff to get mana back? is it really worth it?
    are there any good macros for hitting stuff without having to target manually and autoattacking?
    and last question, should i be using crusader strike to build holy points?

    I hope im not too much of a bother D:
    No probs, for getting mana back if it doesn't have a downside (ie trinkets/arcane torrent) you should use it as soon as you're able to make sure its not wasted, for DP you need to be a bit more careful and figure out when you can use it without causing a problem.
    As far as using the melee side of Holy Palas, you want to make your choice of either setting up mouseover macros for all your abilities or using Clique to bind mouse button presses to heals, either way allows you to target an enemy for auto attacks (theres no way to auto attack a focus target or something) and click on Grid/Healbot/or what ever raid UI you use
    Finally, CS is a bit hit and miss, if you're in a low damage phase and your mana is fine then its worth it, but bear in mind it has a fairly high miss chance so you have to factor that into its mana=HoPo ratio

    Quote Originally Posted by pkm View Post
    Do Hpaladins spam holy radiance during aoe damage?
    They pretty much spam HR all the time, during AoE it should be HR > HR > HS and repeat until HoPo needs emptying or other factors come into play

  12. #392
    Quote Originally Posted by Xs View Post
    They pretty much spam HR all the time, during AoE it should be HR > HR > HS and repeat until HoPo needs emptying or other factors come into play
    I thought that was gone in MoP ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Validity View Post
    If rogues become shit, all they can become is a different type of shit.

  13. #393
    Quote Originally Posted by pkm View Post
    I thought that was gone in MoP ?
    Thought what was gone?

    HR is our best "on demand" holy power generator so it's the go-to spell outside of Holy Shock and Tower of Radiance healing (which is a bit rare in 25's anyway).

  14. #394
    Hm i been hearing false rumors then D:
    Quote Originally Posted by Validity View Post
    If rogues become shit, all they can become is a different type of shit.

  15. #395
    Quote Originally Posted by pkm View Post
    I thought that was gone in MoP ?
    Yeah its almost always a better choice than DL or HL, you only need it to hit a few people, in 25 mans you can almost take HL off your bars.

  16. #396
    So in small aoe phases its HR > HR > HS ?

    What CDs (if any) when the damage is heavy ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Validity View Post
    If rogues become shit, all they can become is a different type of shit.

  17. #397
    You just have to rotate CDs depending on the fight, some require you to only use Hammer, others can be more efficiently done with Hammer + Wings, or Prism + Wings + Spot healing, but you just have to learn the fight and try to make sure you use them as much as you can

  18. #398
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    I think what you may have heard was DS HR healing being gone, but that is still definitely our strongest spell for raid healing. If you set up your raid frames to track clusters, you can be sure to cast it on groups of say 3+ and will get more healing out of it that way.

    As far as using cds: if there is a damage phase that you feel might be worth a cd, use it. Many paladins make the mistake of saving their cds for so long when they are a huge part of our healing. If you can get 3+ uses out of your cds and learn to time them to big damage phases that skill alone will make you a much better H pally. I also personally prefer to use GoAK early in big AoE phases since it has the longest cd.

  19. #399
    Quote Originally Posted by Kerfax View Post
    I think what you may have heard was DS HR healing being gone, but that is still definitely our strongest spell for raid healing. If you set up your raid frames to track clusters, you can be sure to cast it on groups of say 3+ and will get more healing out of it that way.

    As far as using cds: if there is a damage phase that you feel might be worth a cd, use it. Many paladins make the mistake of saving their cds for so long when they are a huge part of our healing. If you can get 3+ uses out of your cds and learn to time them to big damage phases that skill alone will make you a much better H pally. I also personally prefer to use GoAK early in big AoE phases since it has the longest cd.
    With HA, you can put a put a bunch of EF's out and the hots+mastery will last for 45seconds. That's another great way of preparing for aoe damage. There's a couple fights [animus+qon] in specific where utilizing HA to it's fullest extent is the difference to maximizing your healing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xs View Post
    You just have to rotate CDs depending on the fight, some require you to only use Hammer, others can be more efficiently done with Hammer + Wings, or Prism + Wings + Spot healing, but you just have to learn the fight and try to make sure you use them as much as you can
    The only fight where LH seems to be better is Magaera and possibly Qon. With magaera, you can put down LH every rampage and on Qon, it's more useful for fist smashes as a healing cooldown with wings.

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    Great Guide, it will be useful since I'm now focusing on a Holy Paladin and this is purely what I needed!

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