[Guardian] - Patch 5.4 Survival Guide

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Wait, I've been checking the discussion here every day and I haven't seen the crit-cap come up yet. Did I miss it? What's the critcap? Because I am sitting at ~53% with HotW and MotW buffed.

crit soft cap is like 76% crit so you are fine, also this is not reachable at level 90 so dont wurrie

the guy above is talking about a low level charecter and since ratings are different at lower levels maybe he can get close to it

I'm assuming the hardcap is 100%, because I'm sat at around 92% with MotW, and I'm not even close to finished with the character's gear.

[Elunedra]

I'm assuming the hardcap is 100%, because I'm sat at around 92% with MotW, and I'm not even close to finished with the character's gear.

holy crap what level is that?

and hardcap it dpeents on the level of your enemy,
for equal level enemy's its 75% for softcap (auto attacks) (as your attack will have 25% to be galcing)
and 100% for the hardcap (attack that cant be glacing) basicly all your abilities

i think the caps move up by 1% for each level your opponent is higher then you

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holy crap what level is that?

and hardcap it dpeents on the level of your enemy,
for equal level enemy's its 75% for softcap (auto attacks) (as your attack will have 25% to be galcing)
and 100% for the hardcap (attack that can be glacing) basicly all your abilities

i think the caps move up by 1% for each level your opponent is higher then you

80. Final gear will easily be crit capped (my chardev is showing 86% without bearform, and windsong procs around 50% >.>) Trying to decide what I should use for a weapon enchant too, is colossus a good option?

[Elunedra]

bank in those days mongooze was the best option but if you crit cap, maybe it isnt ;D

[Arielle]

80. Final gear will easily be crit capped (my chardev is showing 86% without bearform, and windsong procs around 50% >.>) Trying to decide what I should use for a weapon enchant too, is colossus a good option?

FWIW chardev has been broken for some time.

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FWIW chardev has been broken for some time.

They've fixed most of what was broken, and I've compared values ingame (Armory vs Chardev). Only thing that chardev doesn't have accurate is guardian armor. My set is something like 198k which is 95% according to chardev (obviously wrong).

[Arielle]

They've fixed most of what was broken, and I've compared values ingame (Armory vs Chardev). Only thing that chardev doesn't have accurate is guardian armor. My set is something like 198k which is 95% according to chardev (obviously wrong).

I'm assuming we're talking level 85 or something here, because the numbers you're describing are not possible outside of a Rune proc.

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I'm assuming we're talking level 85 or something here, because the numbers you're describing are not possible outside of a Rune proc.

Level 80, where secondaries go batshit insane.

Here's the chardev in question: http://chardev.org/profile/48484-Bear.html (Ignore the staff, there's honestly no better besides a MH/OH combo :<)

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I was trying to find if anyone mentioned it but I couldnt see anything.

With the mastery buff, do we change our secondary stat priorities or we stick to
hit7.5% -> expertise 15% -> crit -> haste -> mastery -> dodge?

[Arielle]

I was trying to find if anyone mentioned it but I couldnt see anything.

With the mastery buff, do we change our secondary stat priorities or we stick to
hit7.5% -> expertise 15% -> crit -> haste -> mastery -> dodge?

No change in stat priority what-so-ever.

[Elunedra]

iv been worndering on the item upgrades, as a kitty i would blindly go for my weapon, but as bear the threat is not realy an issue
so i gues i should upgrade what gives me the most exp/ crit / haste

[Kioga]

You should consider choosing the items with the largest item budgets. Weapon, chest, pants, helm, & trinkets. What you choose is up to you but those will give you the biggest bang for your buck.

PS. Depending on how far into the Legendary questline you are, your cloak should be the very last item you upgrade.

[Arielle]

PS. Depending on how far into the Legendary questline you are, your cloak should be the very last item you upgrade.

No, Rings and Neck should be last, since they don't have armor.

[Kioga]

No, Rings and Neck should be last, since they don't have armor.

Normally I would agree with you but not if you are within 3-4 weeks of getting the 5.3 cloaks. Why would you waste valor on a cloak if you are close to replacing it with an ilvl 600 version?

IMO that's inefficient given that guardians have 15 slots to upgrade over the next month. Even if you were valor capped and upgraded 6 items on patch day, that still leaves you 9 slots to upgrade excluding any other new pieces you also get along the way.

Patch = Weapon, Helm, Legs, Chest, & Trinkets.
Week 1 = Shoulders & Feet
Week 2 = Gloves & Belt
Week 3 = Bracers & Neck
Week 4 = Rings
Week 5 = Cloak & Everything else

Cloaks give the lowest amount of armor via upgrades vs other "armor" pieces, so you shouldn't be considering it until weeks 3 or 4 if that is your goal. Additionally, If you weren't having issues staying alive before, then missing the increased armor from the cloak wont have a significant impact wile you work towards the 5.3 one.

[Arielle]

Normally I would agree with you but not if you are within 3-4 weeks of getting the 5.3 cloaks. Why would you waste valor on a cloak if you are close to replacing it with an ilvl 600 version?

It's 500 Valor. Hard to call that a waste when you can fully upgrade 2 items a week.

Plus, you have no way of knowing exactly how close/far you are away from getting your cloak. If you know for 100% you will not replace your Rings/Neck before getting your cloak (ie. Heroic Thunderforged) then sure, do them first.

Otherwise you're just skipping free mitigation in order to save 500 valor you're going to lose anyway when you replace your jewelry.

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my thrash dot no longer crits !

[Arielle]

my thrash dot no longer crits !

Wtb logs >.<

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http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...9oz/details/7/ logs from may 14th
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...fhv/details/1/ logs from may 21th

I noticed it doing LFR a few minutes ago and checking logs it was critting last week, last night not at all.

Really hope this is just a bug

[Braindwen]

Really hope this is just a bug

Makes no sense if it isn't.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...p/spell/77758/

It can still crit on the initial hit, but yay 9360 ticks and 0 crits so far.

On the plus side, Bear Hug can crit again!

[aggixx]

I can confirm Thrash ticks are not critting for feral as well:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...ses&boss=67977