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  1. #241
    how are u guys seeing guardian in 5.2 after the big changes to Thick Hide i am personally seeing druids being really strong.

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    The Lightbringer Elunedra's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ringstrom View Post
    how are u guys seeing guardian in 5.2 after the big changes to Thick Hide i am personally seeing druids being really strong.
    lol you mean minor changes

    realy nothing specail, other then having a smaller chance tobe crit by spells, but in pve spells from bosses never crit anyway
    its mainly a pvp change
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  3. #243
    Noticed some stuff about Symbiosis on the PTR. It now persists through death (for reals), has a 6 sec cd (for some reason) and Lightning Shield doesn't have any charges, just a 10 min duration.
    Last edited by empo; 2013-02-15 at 02:31 PM.

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    thats rather bad, becase then we got to first get a shaman for lightning shield and then a paladin for consecratino to use both at the same time
    and we got to refresh it each 10 minutes
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    Can´t see how u can call getting reduces all magical damage taken by 25%, only pvp and minor buff tbh
    or am i just misunderstading something

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    Quote Originally Posted by ringstrom View Post
    Can´t see how u can call getting reduces all magical damage taken by 25%, only pvp and minor buff tbh
    or am i just misunderstading something
    That was always there.

    The critical chance reduction now also affects spells is the big buff. And the increase to 20% crit reduction from the PvP set bonus.

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    (Stuff of Nightmares and Vial of Dragon's Blood)
    Of course, that's a relative term since neither trinket is desirable for a guardian.
    And why would they not be desirable for us. Pretty sure mastery along with some dodge proc isnt that bad when going for a mitigation focused build.
    Last edited by misacki; 2013-02-16 at 12:13 AM.

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    A variety of reasons -

    0.) There are better and far easier to obtain choices. Searing words, 496 rep agi trinket, darkmoon trinket, etc.
    1.) Neither mastery nor dodge adds any dps.
    2.) It's an inconsistent trinket. Mastery adds to EH, dodge decreases damage taken. If they were pure EH trinkets, say mastery passive and a proc that healed you when melee brings you below 35%, then they'd be swappable in certain situations. As it is, they caters to no niche.
    3.) Mastery isn't a particularly strong stat for us, the general consensus is that crit/exp/hit are all significantly more important.
    4.) Dodge is an even less preferable stat for us, especially dodge on a proc.

  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by kaiadam View Post
    A variety of reasons -

    0.) There are better and far easier to obtain choices. Searing words, 496 rep agi trinket, darkmoon trinket, etc.
    1.) Neither mastery nor dodge adds any dps.
    2.) It's an inconsistent trinket. Mastery adds to EH, dodge decreases damage taken. If they were pure EH trinkets, say mastery passive and a proc that healed you when melee brings you below 35%, then they'd be swappable in certain situations. As it is, they caters to no niche.
    3.) Mastery isn't a particularly strong stat for us, the general consensus is that crit/exp/hit are all significantly more important.
    4.) Dodge is an even less preferable stat for us, especially dodge on a proc.
    The problem is more that their usefulness varies from encounter to encounter, whereas RPS trinkets are consistently useful for everything.

    Once you have enough RPS to keep SD up and use T&C on proc (when relevant) survival trinkets become more appealing. Dodge procs (especially those with long ICDs) have a habit of not being up when you need them. On-use trinkets are much better for that kind of build.

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    is there a said certain RPS at wich you can keep up both SD and T&C on proc?
    i know it used to be 6.66 for SD (6.67 if you wanted to work with stacks)
    how much is it for SD + T&C? like 13 or so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elunedra View Post
    is there a said certain RPS at wich you can keep up both SD and T&C on proc?
    i know it used to be 6.66 for SD (6.67 if you wanted to work with stacks)
    how much is it for SD + T&C? like 13 or so?
    Depends on how much Haste you have.

    At Hit/Exp caps and 522 gear it costs an average of 4RPS to use T&C on cooldown. We'll have 12.67RPS before cooldowns in the game gear. But then you start wanting even more Rage for FR too

  12. #252
    is there anybody that have look at a bis gear list for guardians yet in 5.2 gear

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    Quote Originally Posted by ringstrom View Post
    is there anybody that have look at a bis gear list for guardians yet in 5.2 gear
    Depends what build you want to take. I have a BiS RPS set available here:

    http://theincbear.com/monday-roundup-february-19th-2013

    Need to add gems and enchants to it though. "Defensive" build is still coming.

  14. #254
    The trinket he is takling about is a str trinket or i am i blind

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    Quote Originally Posted by ringstrom View Post
    The trinket he is takling about is a str trinket or i am i blind
    Yeah, but it turns out we can't use it anyway. But with the buffs to Re-Origination it now becomes really awesome for DPS/RPS builds.

    Need to update the post, just haven't had time yet.

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    I'm a bit confused, what is the optimal stat priority for guardian druids ? I have read this thread, noxxic and icy-veins and they all have different stat priorities. I'm completely new to guardian druid and I will mainly have him for LFR; so what stat priority do you suggest me ?


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    Survival: Dodge >= Mastery > Crit > Hit=Exp > Haste
    DPS: Hit=Exp > Crit > Haste > Mastery > Dodge

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    from what ivbeen reading it seems that early on the survival setup is better, but later on in hc gear the RPS setup gets better.
    makes me wonder about 5.2 i gues the RPS setrup will be better then survival there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erathus View Post
    I'm a bit confused, what is the optimal stat priority for guardian druids ? I have read this thread, noxxic and icy-veins and they all have different stat priorities. I'm completely new to guardian druid and I will mainly have him for LFR; so what stat priority do you suggest me ?
    It depends on how you want to tank as a guardian. I'm highly aware that for some the lack of a clear "stat X> stat Y> stat P" etc., will just cause confusion. The reason there isn't just one stat priority for guardians is because of the multiple avenues guardians can take when it comes to damage mitigation.

    1). One method is to stack mastery and dodge. That's what we did last expansion, and it's still effective now; dodge obviously increases how often you outright dodge attacks, and mastery increases our armour, and therefore decreases the amount of damage we get hit for when we get hit. This build has the downside of not providing you with as much rage as you might of otherwise of had and therefore limiting the use of the rage costing abilities we have. The reason it limits the use of rage costing abilities is because it utilises "stats" which do not allow us to specialise in generating rage.

    The rage costing abilities we have are: "Savage Defense" (a 50% dodge buff). "Tooth and Claw" which can lead on some fights to providing a 100k absorb on the next attack (it stacks as well, so somtimes a 200k absorb etc.). It's especially useful for things like Dread Thrash when combined with "Savage Defense", offering both dodge often in excess of 65% when combined with our passive dodge, and 100-200k absorbs. Finally, there's "Frenzied Regeneration" which allows us to offer some healing to ourselves. This can be especially useful after a spike in damage.

    Going with the passive mastery and dodge build wont see you get as much use out of abilities like "Savage Defense" as you would have if you had gone with a build which actively seeks to get you as much rage as possible. Now getting as much rage as possible involves relying on typical dps (Damage Per Second) stats, though the amount of rage you generate isn't necessarily linked to the amount of dps you do.

    2). This is the second method. Here one stacks "rps" (rage per second) stats, which attempts to get us as much rage as is reasonably possible so that one can use the above abilities like "Savage Defense" as much as is reasonably possible. The idea here is that providing one can get enough rage one can have a very high "up time" on abilities like "Savage Defense". This overall it is supposed allows us to tailor our mitigation to those moments we need it most, choosing when to have that additional 50% dodge. The kind of stats needed to achieve this build are a combination of hit, expertise, critical strike, and haste. Another benefit to this "rps" form of mitigation is that the guardian will achieve higher dps, which can sometimes be useful for meeting tough timers.

    Of course, some might also wish to mix and match the above tactics - swapping between mastery/dodge and agility/critical strike trinkets.

    These two separate methods are why there isn't just a single "stat X, stat Y, stat P" clear cut build. And this lack of clarity is why there might be some confusion among people who are not familiar or are only just getting started with guardian tanking.


    Edit: With a player just beginning as a guardian, I personally would recommend a combination of mastery and expertise/hit. This will offer you more than a minimal amount of rage to play with, and thus offer you the chance to play with those active mitigation tools like "Savage Defense". Likewise, it will offer you passive mitigation so that should you find yourself stuck without rage from moment to moment you won't get completely destroyed. This method however may only be effective for LFR quality bosses.

    On a personal note, I run the RPS mitigation build, and have now cleared every boss on heroic on the current tier using it (except Vizier HC I think).
    Last edited by Themessiah; 2013-02-26 at 11:11 AM.

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    i think its also importent to state that the RPS setup lets you tank magical dmg fights, and bleed effect fight such as stone gaurd and elgelon and tsaulong
    the dodge / armor setup will only have effect on fight with high melee attacks
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