[Guardian] - Patch 5.4 Survival Guide

[Arielle]

The enchant acts kinda funny in that it doesn't always choose your highest stat, the order of procs i had definitely followed my stats from highest to lowest in total procs but it was random during the fight what proc'd when.

The stat increased is actually completely random.

[Elunedra]

huh wich enchants are you guys talking about?

i meant the +1500 mastery RPPM enchant (windsong) or the +1670 dodge PPM enchant (riversong)
or do they now give random stats ?

[uzumati]

huh wich enchants are you guys talking about?

i meant the +1670 mastery RPPM enchant (windsong) or the +1670 dodge PPM enchant (river song)
or do they now give random stats ?

Windsong is a random of the 3 stat (Crit, Haste, Mastery) procs with a base 2ppm increased by haste going by the new proc formula released for it and the elemental damage one. With my current haste levels i see a proc about every 24 - 26 seconds on Windsong.

River's Song is always dodge with 45sec ICD

[Elunedra]

oww intresting i thoguh i always had mastery , lol i havent payed enough attention then

[Krazyito]

The only fight I have to tank is Heroic Stone Guard, since on 25 man it requires 3 tanks. I am only tanking one of the guards, never 2.

How should I reforge/gem for this specific fight? I'm thinking LOTS of crit and hit for generating tons of rage to heal myself.

Also, is mastery useless on this fight because of the bleed? Bleeds ignore armor correct? Please correct me if I am wrong and explain how bleeds work against armor.

Any help for tanking this specific fight would be greatly appreciated!

[Gemini Soul]

The only fight I have to tank is Heroic Stone Guard, since on 25 man it requires 3 tanks. I am only tanking one of the guards, never 2.

How should I reforge/gem for this specific fight? I'm thinking LOTS of crit and hit for generating tons of rage to heal myself.

Also, is mastery useless on this fight because of the bleed? Bleeds ignore armor correct? Please correct me if I am wrong and explain how bleeds work against armor.

Any help for tanking this specific fight would be greatly appreciated!

Hit/Exp-Dodge cap + Crit.

Armor does nothing VS bleeds.

FR is insane on that fight.

[Krazyito]

Tanked it again last night and killed it. I got better then what I was doing the night before. I also had reforged into haste for added rage regen. seems to have worked well, although I think I am gonna wanna get hit/exp caps before haste.

what are the caps? 7.5% for both hit and exp?

[Elunedra]

mastery is not useless tho, as you still take melee hits, but the majority of the damamge cannot be migrated by armor.
not sure if you can dodoge the bleed tho

[Gemini Soul]

mastery is not useless tho, as you still take melee hits, but the majority of the damamge cannot be migrated by armor.
not sure if you can dodoge the bleed tho

You can dodge the attack that puts up the bleed but they use it so much the chances of it falling off is nil. From the WoL for my grp it seems that the bleed has a higher up time on the other tank (pally) than my bear. by 3-4%

[Elunedra]

so does anyone got a nice indication on what fights i should use:
Savage Defence
Frenzy Regen
Frenzy Regen + 40% healing buff

[Gemini Soul]

Dogs-FR
Feng-SD/FR-when needed
Gara-SD and More SD cause of the doll mechanic
Kings-SD/FR-when needed
Elegon-SD/FR-when needed
Emp- SD-If you time it so its not wasted at all during combo attacks but mostly FR

[Longrod Vonhugendong]

Windsong is a random of the 3 stat (Crit, Haste, Mastery) procs with a base 2ppm increased by haste going by the new proc formula released for it and the elemental damage one. With my current haste levels i see a proc about every 24 - 26 seconds on Windsong.

River's Song is always dodge with 45sec ICD

River's Song does not have a ICD I constantly have a 2 stack going with this enchant, the up time is very high 40-50% for a fight with no target swapping or anything wouldn't surprise me.

[Elunedra]

so what is that Tooth and Claw, i never saw it before tbh

[Williee]

Working on heroic will, do you think its worth regemming mastery over crit gems

[Arielle]

Working on heroic will, do you think its worth regemming mastery over crit gems

Do you have enough Rage to keep SD up already? If yes, then definitely dump into Mastery. If no, then don't.

[Williee]

Anybody know dancing steel vs windsong? Deciding on whether dancing steel worth it on a 502 weapon if it drops.

[Arielle]

Anybody know dancing steel vs windsong? Deciding on whether dancing steel worth it on a 502 weapon if it drops.

Ehhhhhhhh.

After the buff to Windsong I don't think so anymore. Pre-buff DS was straight up better, but now Windsong is just amazing.

[Kioga]

Ehhhhhhhh.

After the buff to Windsong I don't think so anymore. Pre-buff DS was straight up better, but now Windsong is just amazing.

So windsong over River's Song and DS as tanking enchant of choice?

[Arielle]

So windsong over River's Song and DS as tanking enchant of choice?

The big difference is that Windsong is good on every fight, whereas RS isn't. DS is really just a combination of the two.

DS is the best for DPS - but people have been reporting something messed up with that enchant and proc rates. I'd stay away from it for now until it gets figured out. Given how good WS is now, it's hard to recommend other enchants that aren't as widely useful.

The ideal situation obviously would be to have one weapon with each enchant, so you can pick the best one for each encounter.

[Kioga]

Most of the Bis lists I have seen rank everything by ilvl which is obviously important but is that the end all and be all of gearing now? Is there a particular offset item that is better than others such as the 496 crafted chest? I realize heroic items will trump any normal gear down the road.

Is the Guardian 4pc bonus so good that we should use 483 LFR gear over any 496 offset upgrades?