[Megathread] The War Z

**Bobthewarior** · 2012-12-20, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by Waaldo

Lmao, some people can be such dick heads on these forums, I have never called anyone a fanboy, all I said was that TB is a tool, and that "1st impression" was god awful. He started the gameplay hating the game.

I do not support what the devs have done over the last 4 days or so, however I have been supporting this game from the beginning and this is the first time they have truly fucked up. So sorry I am trying to be optimistic about a game I enjoy playing. There are a lot of game that I despise that people will die for, so instead of bashing the hell out of it I just ignore the game and move on.

What the company has done to the new Steam customers is atrocious, but all of the people who bought the game before Steam knew exactly what they were buying. The game is unfinished and being developed by a rather small and new company. I am not going to cry and beg for a refund for a game I enjoy playing just because the company has some shit PR (EA comes to mind).

I have never EVER personally attacked someone in this thread, yet you can find my name in infracted posts all over the place. Some dude even said he wished I would die in a car accident. Serves me right, how dare I enjoy playing a game! And how dare I try and let other new comers give the game a fair shot! (mostly referring to my posts before the Steam epidemic)

Summed up well. I like the game not a fan boy of either game. I agree putting it on steam saying it is complete is pretty stupid. But before this whole issue happened they did nothing wrong really, just some over promising but blizzard is known to do that a lot anyways heh. Basically they tried to beat Day Z to the punch for release and it kicked them in the ass but I like the game thought it played much better then the current Day Z. But if Day Z fixes all the flaws in the release I'll buy it until then both games are far from perfect.

The TB review was just awful I honestly never had the issues he had. He just tried his best to bash the game however possible, says it is a complete clone when War Z added a sight/hearing system, better running system, and less bugs then Day Z has. ( like actual non derp zombies) He also just flat out sucked at it not playing it like a survival game like how you would play Day Z. I'll agree with him in the sense of basically they should not have put it on steam or at least said it is in beta. Otherwise it is coming along fine.

**barackopala** · 2012-12-20, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by Waaldo

Right, because a developer who made a shit game in his previous career can NEVER make a good game. That's great logic. If you try once and fail just fucking kill yourself cause you are a completely useless piece of shit at this point.

Here are my quotes from a couple of pages back (bolded key parts for you)

Are you seriously going to tell me I am wrong?

The only thing that was lied about when I bought the game was really just the ToS from LoL (I still barely believe that's real, but it is definitely not a reason to not play the game. How many companies do you think actually write their ToS from scratch, lmao.). The map isn't 100 km2 but it sure as hell isn't 10. That guys math was extremely sketchy at best. If you have played the game, the map size is fine (I'm not saying their lying is okay, but I still like the game).

Did you even HEAR what he say on his playthrough? he didn't talk about game mechanics at all, all he had was gameplay issues, issues that are WITHIN the game limitations, can't swim (LOL), player models not being loaded (LOL?), outdated graphics (yeah, bushes looked so realistic... like 2004), getting killed by small slopes... ALL OF THOSE ISSUES ARE NOT SKILL BASED. Neither did the blatant lies he showed on the vid, and which everyone knows.
This whole "His arguments are wrong cuz he bad" are stupid, why? Because first he didn't even talked about mechanics, he talked about the game itself and it's fundations, second, it's a way to make a falacy, how? Ad hominem insults to his skill on the game and not on his arguments.

The things you were lied about were the distance on the map - existence of clans - the skill tree - the two modes of play - the server cap "UP TO 100" (when it only had 50) - the dedicated servers - Meld of PvE and PvP...
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/12/20/th...itov-backlash/

pretty much sums up the lie you had to deal with when buying an unfinished game that promised all that stuff AS A FULL GAME, NOT AS FUNDING (lol, if he wanted that, he should've gone greenlight).

Either one of two:
A) You're too blind
B) You're not as blind, but a bit "innocent" to beleive all of the statements above were true.

**SirRobin** · 2012-12-20, 04:30 AM

Originally Posted by Bobthewarior

Summed up well. I like the game not a fan boy of either game. I agree putting it on steam saying it is complete is pretty stupid. But before this whole issue happened they did nothing wrong really, just some over promising but blizzard is known to do that a lot anyways heh. Basically they tried to beat Day Z to the punch for release and it kicked them in the ass but I like the game thought it played much better then the current Day Z. But if Day Z fixes all the flaws in the release I'll buy it until then both games are far from perfect.

Huh... When Steam feels like they have to change your game from buyable to, well, not and offer refunds? Ban the devs mod rights and themselves edit the game's description on Steam? Sorry, that goes way beyond doing "nothing really wrong."

http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/1...ing-on-forums/

http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/1...ions-of-fraud/

**Waaldo** · 2012-12-20, 04:40 AM

Originally Posted by barackopala

Did you even HEAR what he say on his playthrough? he didn't talk about game mechanics at all, all he had was gameplay issues, issues that are WITHIN the game limitations, can't swim (LOL), player models not being loaded (LOL?), outdated graphics (yeah, bushes looked so realistic... like 2004), getting killed by small slopes... ALL OF THOSE ISSUES ARE NOT SKILL BASED. Neither did the blatant lies he showed on the vid, and which everyone knows.
This whole "His arguments are wrong cuz he bad" are stupid, why? Because first he didn't even talked about mechanics, he talked about the game itself and it's fundations, second, it's a way to make a falacy, how? Ad hominem insults to his skill on the game and not on his arguments.

The things you were lied about were the distance on the map - existence of clans - the skill tree - the two modes of play - the server cap "UP TO 100" (when it only had 50) - the dedicated servers - Meld of PvE and PvP...
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/12/20/th...itov-backlash/

pretty much sums up the lie you had to deal with when buying an unfinished game that promised all that stuff AS A FULL GAME, NOT AS FUNDING (lol, if he wanted that, he should've gone greenlight).

Either one of two:
A) You're too blind
B) You're not as blind, but a bit "innocent" to beleive all of the statements above were true.

Please read my whole post, not just bits and pieces because you are clearly missing something.

Originally Posted by Waaldo

Lmao, some people can be such dick heads on these forums, I have never called anyone a fanboy, all I said was that TB is a tool, and that "1st impression" was god awful. He started the gameplay hating the game.

I do not support what the devs have done over the last 4 days or so, however I have been supporting this game from the beginning and this is the first time they have truly fucked up. So sorry I am trying to be optimistic about a game I enjoy playing. There are a lot of game that I despise that people will die for, so instead of bashing the hell out of it I just ignore the game and move on.

What the company has done to the new Steam customers is atrocious, but all of the people who bought the game before Steam knew exactly what they were buying. The game is unfinished and being developed by a rather small and new company. I am not going to cry and beg for a refund for a game I enjoy playing just because the company has some shit PR (EA comes to mind).

About the TB topic; not being able to swim (lots of game put in boundaries like this, it's nothing new, nor is it game breaking), player models not loading (I agree this is terrible, however, I have never seen that happen when I was playing, nor have I ever even heard of it until TB's video), outdated graphics (there are a lot of new games that don't use AAA graphics, and they are usually the better games), taking small amounts of damage from small slopes, they fixed that IIRC.
Not a single one of those problems would make the game boring, which was TB's main argument, hence the name "The BoreZ." It was boring because he did nothing. To say I am wrong on that is plane ignorant.

**Nirawen** · 2012-12-20, 04:42 AM

Originally Posted by Bobthewarior

says it is a complete clone when War Z added a sight/hearing system

Originally Posted by Waaldo

I have never EVER personally attacked someone in this thread, yet you can find my name in infracted posts all over the place. Some dude even said he wished I would die in a car accident. Serves me right, how dare I enjoy playing a game! And how dare I try and let other new comers give the game a fair shot! (mostly referring to my posts before the Steam epidemic)

It may not be as bad as dying in a car accident but telling people they're dumb, stupid, fucking hypocrites and dick heads is still quite personal

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**SirRobin** · 2012-12-20, 04:46 AM

What I would be most concerned with right now is the account "security" of anyone who took part in their RMT.

**Nirawen** · 2012-12-20, 04:48 AM

Originally Posted by Bobthewarior

Play the game?

My point was that you seem to defend against claims that it was a clone by saying they added a feature that the game they're accused of copying already had. Not saying it is or isn't clone, don't care on that front, just struck me as odd

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**barackopala** · 2012-12-20, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by Waaldo

Please read my whole post, not just bits and pieces because you are clearly missing something.

About the TB topic; not being able to swim (lots of game put in boundaries like this, it's nothing new, nor is it game breaking), player models not loading (I agree this is terrible, however, I have never seen that happen when I was playing, nor have I ever even heard of it until TB's video), outdated graphics (there are a lot of new games that don't use AAA graphics, and they are usually the better games), taking small amounts of damage from small slopes, they fixed that IIRC.
Not a single one of those problems would make the game boring, which was TB's main argument, hence the name "The BoreZ." It was boring because he did nothing. To say I am wrong on that is plane ignorant.

Not being able to swim on a game that's supposed to be a sandbox game with "exploration" to it, you expect the 100km square to be actually existant, this takes away even more the fact that the 10km square that were calculated today by a pc gaming webpage (linked a few pages before) is even LESS than 10km square, this is a blatant lie.

I've seen indie games from 2 years ago with better graphics and handling better performances, a pc like the one TB has with lower than 50 fps and graphics far bellow what PS2 has (which iirc on his last vid about ps2 he said he got 40fps on big scales battles...). You can indeed make a good game with low graphics, that's one of the reasons I play old games, not for their graphical fidelity, but when you show pictures of a BEAUTIFUL game with amazing graphics and stunishing areas to find (while actually NONE of them exists ingame now, NONE, what's even more insulting is that they're charging you for a mod from their free to play game, LOL).

**Bobthewarior** · 2012-12-20, 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by Nirawen

My point was that you seem to defend against claims that it was a clone by saying they added a feature that the game they're accused of copying already had. Not saying it is or isn't clone, don't care on that front, just struck me as odd

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Probably could of worded it better but I mean they added things that Day Z doesn't have and it is not a pure clone like TB mentioned.

**barackopala** · 2012-12-20, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by Bobthewarior

Probably could of worded it better but I mean they added things that Day Z doesn't have and it is not a pure clone like TB mentioned.

2 new "useful" information mechanics? woah that's revolutionary from the copy you just made, imma make 300 heroes, which is nowhere near a copy of league of... wait it already exists and it copied LoL/DotA/Pixar characters.

**Onaturi** · 2012-12-20, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by Bobthewarior

Probably could of worded it better but I mean they added things that Day Z doesn't have and it is not a pure clone like TB mentioned.

why you compare a standalone game towards a mod that has its limits? Or are you admitting Warz is a mod of the f2p game warinc?

**Bobthewarior** · 2012-12-20, 05:07 AM

Originally Posted by Onaturi

why you compare a standalone game towards a mod that has its limits? Or are you admitting Warz is a mod of the f2p game warinc?

Because everyone else is? They borrowed assets and used the same engine but it is a different game. Neither games are perfect but if War Z was still in their beta (which they should be) all the problems are normal. EVERYONE WHO BOUGHT THE GAME PRE STEAM knew it was in beta and that was fine. I do not agree it should have been released as complete on steam and them copy/pasting info from their site that is not currently in the game. Before this issue like I already mentioned they did nothing wrong and the game was doing fine. It was not and still is not a scam basically wanted a early release and screwed it up. (EA)

**Lyriok** · 2012-12-20, 05:10 AM

I was a large fan of this game but that deteriorated over time with the way the devs presented themselves especially with the comment about Dead Linger. I bought the game while it was in Alpha hoping it would improve which it has but as time goes on they keep digging a bigger hole for themselves with the constant lies and cover ups especially blaming the community for mis-reading on Steam.

You can see me defending the game in the early pages of this thread because judging a game before sufficient information is available is unfair and at the time we knew it was in early stages.

This is something that I just found which made me rather dissappointed: http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/188v...g/original.jpg

I woudn't go to the extent and call it a scam but more of a cash grab.

I didn't believe it was in development before DayZ but I didn't mind this because competition is good and games inspired by others is how we have the what we have today.

Such as Everquest being the foundations of MMO's (Don't flame me just an example of an early MMO that succeeded)

The game is fine and coming along slowly but steadily but they've lost all my support blaming the entire community for misreading the steam page and trying to sell a game that clearly isn't ready (This would have been fine if it was a pre-purchase with Alpha/Beta access)

I personally don't mind that I bought it I got my moneys worth through hours played even tho it was Alpha/Beta and the game could have been fine once textures are brought upto a higher standard and the listed features added but what really killed this game for me and I'm sure many others is the way the developers, Sergey in particular presented themselves.

**Bobthewarior** · 2012-12-20, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by Lyriok

The game is fine and coming along slowly but steadily but they've lost all my support blaming the entire community for misreading the steam page and trying to sell a game that clearly isn't ready (This would have been fine if it was a pre-purchase with Alpha/Beta access)

Pretty much my thoughts they handled the steam problem pretty bad.

**Mongoose19** · 2012-12-20, 06:01 AM

Good guy Valve, scumbag Steve WarZ .

**Scummer** · 2012-12-20, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Bobthewarior

The TB review was just awful I honestly never had the issues he had. He just tried his best to bash the game however possible, says it is a complete clone when War Z added a sight/hearing system, better running system, and less bugs then Day Z has. ( like actual non derp zombies) He also just flat out sucked at it not playing it like a survival game like how you would play Day Z. I'll agree with him in the sense of basically they should not have put it on steam or at least said it is in beta. Otherwise it is coming along fine.

He went out of his way to slam the game when a problem arose. You watched it yourself if you're mentioning it.
Please don't give me the "he was bad at the game" excuse when the game itself had no tutorial.

Again you can defend the game as much as you want and enjoy it as much as you want but there is absolutely no chance in hell that the majority of the problems people have with the game are legitimate and fact - such it copying it's TOS from LoL, artwork being stolen from The Walking Dead, bad business model, bugs galore, features not implemented, developer lying in an interview and blaming customers for "misreading" the features, banning people on the forums for so much as criticising the game and finally the fact the game looked and felt and pretty was not finished and was clearly in it's alpha stages of development heck to mask this they called it a "foundation release".

The release has made it painfully obvious that the game was mashed together in the space of 7-8 months (Whichever is right...) purely to cash in on the DayZ craze.

Those are legitimate problems and are not mere opinion. You are free to enjoy the game despite these obvious flaws, but by paying for it and playing it you may aswell be giving the developer the thumbs up about their obviously atrocious game model.

**draykorinee** · 2012-12-20, 08:32 AM

can't support this game at the moment so badly handled. tb first look was total garbage mind. glad steam yanked it. ill try and play it when its ready seeing as I bought at anyway

**Scummer** · 2012-12-20, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by draykorinee

can't support this game at the moment so badly handled. tb first look was total garbage mind. glad steam yanked it. ill try and play it when its ready seeing as I bought at anyway

If you're that concerned I'd consider a refund and just wait until the DayZ stand alone.

**Jokerfiend** · 2012-12-20, 08:45 AM

Dropping this here, I don't know if it been posted, but this shit was called 4 months ago.

Rhinocrunch got a lot of shit about his review of the game. He said what was honest, and now is being lauded as a voice of someone who knows about games.

Internet justice at least.

**Dezerte** · 2012-12-20, 08:57 AM

Sent a mail to support@xsolla.com asking for a refund. Wish me luck.

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