Arrogant OP - hardcore raiders already got their Heroic raids, who gives a damn if casuals can get themselves LFR loot ?
Fact is the LFR system makes for a lot more happy players [Casuals, non-raiders] than the fewer special snowflakes, such as yourself, that bitch about it.
I, myself, am a hardcore raider - and I couldn't really care less of people getting 'free loot' from the LFR. So fucking what? It doesn't affect me, nor you, in any shape or form whatsoever. So stop concerning yourself over petty things!
First of all, Blizz didn't dumb down the content for the majority, they made a VERSION of the content that was dumbed down for the majority to partake in. There's a difference, because the original content is still hard. Second, if Blizzard took your "if they can't play the game, don't play the game" approach they'd be the worst businessmen ever, which they aren't. It's not a single player game, it's played by millions of people, and that fact is the biggest reason that you are still getting content at all. So by suggesting they punish people that aren't gods gift to mmo's (unlike yourself) you're also condemning yourself to less content.
Second, raiding and PvP are two different things. Any average player has always been able to see all of the pvp content. Anyone can go into any battle ground and if they play enough arenas they will probably see every one of them. So, your argument clearly has nothing to do with what you get to do, but what you are rewarded with for doing it. You don't have a problem with people seeing the content, you have a problem with the fact that they are being rewarded in similar ways for seeing it. As you plainly stated "Give me every mount, pet, achiev, title, piece of gear, take restrictions off gear so I can enjoy every part of the game that I pay for". Your focus is on the rewards. You don't think casuals should be able to run an easier version of a raid and get rewarded for it, in any way, even if the rewards are not even as good as what a real raider can acquire. It's not good enough that it's worse, it has to be so inferior as to bring to that awe inspiring place of having gear that no one else can even dream of coming close to acquiring. It's the same tired song and dance. If you want to feel that way, fine. But don't hide behind a facade of actually having a compelling argument, just say what you mean and be done with it.
You call me immature and jealous because I have stated I want the BC model back...then have the nerve to tell me to grow up? Really?
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1. The developers have to spend a lot of time and energy devoted to content that very few people actually appreciate or care about (normal mode.)
2. Because of the time they need to spend developing all these different difficulties, we can't get the large-scale epic zone raids like what were present in BC (and even Ulduar- very epic.)
One of the material forces that drives people to subscribe, play, and raid are their in-game idols. Guilds like Paragon, Blood Legion, KinRaiders, etc., are all looked up to by raiders of every skill level. These highly skilled guilds will disappear if the content gets too easy at the top, or simply too boring. That, my friends, would be the end of WoW.
Casual players, what do you want out of WoW? Really... If you are an ex-hardcore raider, you stopped raiding at that level for a reason. Now you want World of Warcraft to change just for you? You want to raid hardcore, but not really put out hardcore time and effort? You are what's wrong in the real world, too. Paying your subscription fee allows you the chance to see the entire game content. For the top tier of raiding, you SHOULD have to join a hardcore guild.
What's next? You want to be able to complete raids by yourself and not have to even join a group? I mean, its your $15/mo., why should you have to play by the current raid rules?
Stop QQ'ing about how busy your life is. This game still means something to those of us that enjoy playing it at all levels. If you are casual and cannot raid the hardest of the core, don't take your frustration out on those of us who love and respect how challenging the hardcore scene is. You have the opportunity to do what we do, you just choose not to. If you want to complain about not getting your money's worth about something, go QQ about social security.
Last I checked people pretty much know what they are signing up for when they play an mmo. If you want to pvp, you need to be good at pvp. If you want to raid then you need to have the time and also be good enough at your class to get into guilds that clear content. I don't recall on the box it saying: "Welcome all people who play C.o.D. and farmville" and by that I mean people who have shot attention spans or not time enough in their day to play a game that you need to put time into. Claiming you arnt getting your moneys worth cause you didn't get to kill lich king due to your RL commitments or what have you is BS. People knew what an mmo was when they bought it. If you don't have the time to put into a game to reach whatever it is at the end of the game everyone is pushing for, then I guess that game isn't for you. Just cause most of us that raid actually have the time to do it, or make time for it, doesn't make us elitist. People wanting access to raids and all the glory of raiding when they don't have the time or means are just being lil brats who want to have their cake and eat it too. When I chose to play this game back in BC I knew what came with it, if I wanted to be a raider I would have to work things around it. That was my choice. If you don't have the time to play the game your decision should be to play a different game, not cry til they change it to accommodate you. Just my two pennies.
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People are still fucking crying about LFR? even though They still have thier Heroic and more difficult Raids? Getting incredibly tired of these forums. Im in a Heroic raiding guild, we dont give a shit what other people killed in LFR, WHY do you need to be so fucking selfish? and dont allow ppl that cant devote time to heroic progression to participate in a way easier difficulty but recieve waaaaaaay worst awards? What is your problem?
This is elitism, if you say otherwise you accept that you are just THAT. Stop beeing selfish. This community just gets worst by the second.