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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Grubjuice View Post
    i am pretty sure the primary stats on food are normallized at lvl 90 in such a way that the Epicurean double food bonus is on par with other racial benefits like berserking and bloodfury generally. *remember intellect is now only spell power and a pittance of crit, it no longer increases mana pools*

    Epicurean may be a good racial but it's not a 1,000,000%-better-in-all-ways-at-all-times racial

    and human spirit is actually the best racial for a healer (the only one that scales as gear level increases) in the alliance but there are no human shamans (except in stranglethorn vale for some reason)

    for example: you can get and 300 passive Spell power (i.e. intellect) and like .02% more crits from Mogu Fish Stew as a Pandaran, or 2257 Spell power for 15 seconds on a 2 minute cooldown as an Orc. Te passive is stronger on average than the cooldown (which averages to 282 SP) but cooldowns are always more valuable than passives since they can be used on demand.
    Only talking about Shaman here, so other races do not really matter much. The extra 300 int/spirit will outdo any other alliance racial by a lot and will be better than most horde racials, especially for the first tier when stacking spirit is so good.

    In terms of pure throughput for horde, it goes Panda ~= Troll > Goblin > Orc. Panda obviously has the ability to choose what stat they want (Int vs Spirit) and Goblin has the rocket jump, which increase their values.

  2. #22
    The human racial become superior to the Pandaren racial at 300 Spirit. I suspect we will be getting to that point late in T14/early in T15, so Human will be the superior race by mid-expansion. The Blood Elf racial is clearly superior to the Pandaren racial, and beats out the Human racial up until you get to about 30,000 Spirit (which obviously isn't going to happen in MoP). It's irrelevant to Shaman, because we can not be Humans or Blood Elves.

    Anyway, here is how I would rank all races in terms of most to least desirable for PvE healing.

    1. Blood Elf
    2. Human
    3. Pandaren
    4. Troll
    5. Orc
    6. Worgen (Crit is going to be more valuable than haste for most healing specs in MoP)
    7. Goblin
    8. Gnome (5% larger mana pool sounds awesome, but with so many maximum mana mechanics removed and mana pools not scaling, the regen value of this is very minimal.
    9. Draenei (Gift of the Naaru is at least something with some PvE relevance)
    10. Undead
    11. Dwarf
    12. Night Elf
    13. Tauren

  3. #23
    Does anyone have any idea about for Horde shamans and in PvP? Can't choose between the extra trinket Trolls provide or the extra panic jump away Goblins provide.

  4. #24
    go tauren for the warstomp stun imo
    -Biotics-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biotics83 View Post
    go tauren for the warstomp stun imo
    Not sure if serious.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Redtusk View Post
    Not sure if serious.
    Sure that not serious : )
    Healing with different classes since Vanilla
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  7. #27
    Panda for now, but I'm sure Blizzard will nerf the Panda racial or buff the other racials when they get enough money from race changes. :3

  8. #28
    I still think people are vastly underestimating the 20% (or 17% if you go for 3764 mark) boost to HTT that trolls give.

  9. #29
    Exactly. I didn't even take that into account when I made the decision to switch from Troll to Panda. Now it seems like much less clear-cut of a decision, especially when you reach later tiers where spirit is more plentiful.

  10. #30
    panda racial is actually poor if to take into account most classes ahve over 200 more base stats at 90

  11. #31
    In terms of looks? Dwarf of course.
    But performance wise, probably goblin for that haste.

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Romeothecat View Post
    In terms of looks? Dwarf of course.
    But performance wise, probably goblin for that haste.
    Nah, the Goblin racial loses a load of value this expansion because of how automatic the haste breakpoints are. Troll is far stronger, given that Berserking is nearly guaranteed to give an extra HTT tick (but is hard to math out because of how bugged the totem breakpoints are). For Horde, it's a pretty close tossup between Troll for throughput and Pandaren for regen and stat flexibility. None of the other races are nearly as strong. For Alliance, unfortunately Pandaren is the strongest hands down (which I hate because I hate the Pandaren model and feel forced to have it).

  13. #33
    Sadly I've stayed with my goblin because I've grown so attached to him. Their totems are awesome looking, they blow up stuff, and most of all rocket jump. I've saved my hide so many times with Rocket Jump that I can't even begin to count. Plus they are greedy, funny, witty, little green creatures that have guts when they time calls for them to battle. Also... goblin male dance FTW...

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