Are you enjoying the endgame?

[SirRobin]

I don't understand this. I read it, I don't know, 10 times- trying to understand but I can't grasp it.

It doesn't add up to me either but since its just his opinion it really isn't a big deal. He thinks it doesn't but I think it does. Six of one half dozen of another. Meh...

[Widow Maker]

I havent yet had a chance to try out the dungeons since the last patch but they did mention that they where making them less profitable to speed farm and that is a very good thing. I myself reported the second dungeon (cant remember its name ) but it was stupid easy, I mean to the point of sillyness for the reward we where getting we smashed it three times in a row and I gained like almost 5 lvls and over 30 silver not to mention a ton of greens, blues and what not to sell and salvage all for about a hour maybe two's worth of time..

yeah that one needed addressed big time. Storymode was and is way to easy for the rewards it was pumping out.

About 13s at the end of the dungeon and increasing the difficulty like crazy is not a good design. It's either make it harder, or lessen the rewards. Not make it almost impossibly harder AND decrease the rewards. There's absolutely no reason to do dungeons anymore. CoF and CM were the only ones kind of worth doing. Now, none of them are. Just read the forums or run the dungeon for yourself. That was one of the few ways to earn gold in the game. I agree with making it harder..but this is retarded.

[Forgeez]

It doesn't add up to me either but since its just his opinion it really isn't a big deal. He thinks it doesn't but I think it does. Six of one half dozen of another. Meh...

Maybe it's my rusty english acting or is this sentence incomprehenseble.

[Vexies]

About 13s at the end of the dungeon and increasing the difficulty like crazy is not a good design. It's either make it harder, or lessen the rewards. Not make it almost impossibly harder AND decrease the rewards. There's absolutely no reason to do dungeons anymore. CoF and CM were the only ones kind of worth doing. Now, none of them are. Just read the forums or run the dungeon for yourself. That was one of the few ways to earn gold in the game. I agree with making it harder..but this is retarded.

CM was and or is a joke (havent been back yet) if they made it harder then good and the rewards where way, way to good for what it was. Come on now you had to see that. We did it like three times back to back and felt dirty then stopped. Its always been clear that the dungeon rewards needed adjusting. CoF while parts of it where challenging again is hardly impossible and quite fun. I dont really feel it need anymore tuning towards being "more" difficult but eh we will see when we run it again. They mentioned nothing about altering the encounters themselves other than making it less profitable to speed run them but who knows. I'll have to judge them for myself when my group runs em again.

[draykorinee]

Maybe it's my rusty english acting or is this sentence incomprehenseble.

english acting? but yeah i cant comprehend sir robins post either

[SirRobin]

Maybe it's my rusty english acting or is this sentence incomprehenseble.

What's not able to be understood?

[Widow Maker]

CM was and or is a joke (havent been back yet) if they made it harder then good and the rewards where way, way to good for what it was. Come on now you had to see that. We did it like three times back to back and felt dirty then stopped. Its always been clear that the dungeon rewards needed adjusting. CoF while parts of it where challenging again is hardly impossible and quite fun. I dont really feel it need anymore tuning towards being "more" difficult but eh we will see when we run it again. They mentioned nothing about altering the encounters themselves other than making it less profitable to speed run them but who knows. I'll have to judge them for myself when my group runs em again.

I have no problem with making upping the difficulty as long as its not just more hp and more power and more mobs, making it harder mechanics wise as well. What I have the problem with is, making it harder and lowering the rewards by a HUGE amount. Dungeons were grindy enough as it is considering you barely got rewarded. Now, you might as well go do DEs in starter areas.

[Stellan]

I don't understand this. I read it, I don't know, 10 times- trying to understand but I can't grasp it.

So in WoW, you get to level cap- kill mobs in a dungeon (5 man) ... for lack of a better word grind gear, then grind packs of mobs in a raid with a final boss. You get different looking gear (usually more pleasing to the eye), and then move onto the next grind of mobs in a raid.

In an offline RPG, you grind levels via packs of mobs (any final fantasy, borderlands, dragons age, etc) gain more pleasing gear to the eye, kill a boss, move to the next raid.

In guild wars you get to the level cap, grind mobs (dungeons), get more aesthetically pleasing gear, and hopefully move on to the next raid.

The only difference I can see between any of these three (WoW, offline RPG's, GW2) is slight variations of gameplay - and speed of that "next level" of stuff to kill. If GW2 can release more "stuff to kill" then sure, there is going to be plenty of endgame to cater to the *probably* 1-2 million people who enjoy this style of pick up and play game. If not, well yeah- then there isn't.

You are right, of course, there is little inherent difference between WOW and GW 2 (or Rift, SWTOR). The big difference is that GW 2 is primarily a PVP game at it's 'end game' which is interesting if you think about it because making PVP maps and letting player have a go at them must be a lot cheaper than developing the extensive and intricate raids that Blizzard has been doing for years.

I have two thoughts about what ArenaNet did with GW 2. First, it would seem to me that it threw in the leveling game directly to appeal to the WOW type player. All the elements are there: leveling, quests (however you want to hide them) and crafting. There is no real difference. Thus, it is pretty disingenuous to claim that GW 2 is somehow 'revolutionary'. It just ain't.

Second, at it's heart, GW 2 is really a PVP game that ArenaNet has dressed up as a PVE game to appeal to just the people who play WOW, Rift, etc. Having sucked them in, then ArenaNet dumps them into a PVP game which many don't like and which, in the last analysis, is just a cheap way to provide content. The thing about GW 2 is that it is really a small game tricked out to look big.

[SirRobin]

The thing about GW 2 is that it is really a small game tricked out to look big.

Small? Area Quests, Dynamic Events, WvWvW, SPvP, Dungeons, Exploration, and Crafting?

http://images.mmorpg.com//images/gal...ef66cb638a.jpg

Small? Not seeing it.

Mod edit: Guys. The screenshots. Please use a thumbnail or something.

[Bovinity Divinity]

I think that's the point he was trying to make. It's a fairly small game that's thrown into some really big environments.

[SirRobin]

I think that's the point he was trying to make. It's a fairly small game that's thrown into some really big environments.

If they were empty environments then I might agree with him. But they are not. Vistas, POI's, Puzzles, Challenges, Dynamic Events, etc, etc... Exploration is part of GW2's design.

[papajohn4]

Sadly no...I gave up on grinding and just play alts. I thought this game will throw grinding away but it ended up have the more grind than other usual mmos.Of course you can bypass grind by using gold/real money and maybe this is where they plan to make profits but not from me . Although since it does not have a sub, I am very happy with what I got for 54 euro

[Batistarama]

Small? Area Quests, Dynamic Events, WvWvW, SPvP, Dungeons, Exploration, and Crafting?

Small? Not seeing it.

What he said was that it was 'tricking' people so you arent even supposed to see it but get the opposite feeling, until you realise what it really is.

[SirRobin]

What he said was that it was 'tricking' people so you arent even supposed to see it but get the opposite feeling, until you realise what it really is.

So where is the deception or outwitting? If I saw a POI on the map, got there, and there wasn't one? "By golly, I've been deceived." Though I would probably chalk it up to a bug or glitch instead. Its a huge world with content spread throughout it. Maybe exploration isn't his thing. Maybe its not the content that he wants. However that's a far cry from it actually being "small," or there being any trickery involved. Progression is part and parcel of the MMORPG. How entertaining you make it will determine how soon people get the infamous "grind" feeling and there your mileage will definitely vary.

[flarecde]

So where is the deception or outwitting? If I saw a POI on the map, got there, and there wasn't one? "By golly, I've been deceived."

Well, replace PoI with Skill Point or Dynamic Event and it happens to me more often than not at the moment . Both are frequently bugged, and DEs last way too short of a time when the only method of travelling you have is walking.

[Boomcats]

You are right, of course, there is little inherent difference between WOW and GW 2 (or Rift, SWTOR). The big difference is that GW 2 is primarily a PVP game at it's 'end game' which is interesting if you think about it because making PVP maps and letting player have a go at them must be a lot cheaper than developing the extensive and intricate raids that Blizzard has been doing for years.

I have two thoughts about what ArenaNet did with GW 2. First, it would seem to me that it threw in the leveling game directly to appeal to the WOW type player. All the elements are there: leveling, quests (however you want to hide them) and crafting. There is no real difference. Thus, it is pretty disingenuous to claim that GW 2 is somehow 'revolutionary'. It just ain't.

Second, at it's heart, GW 2 is really a PVP game that ArenaNet has dressed up as a PVE game to appeal to just the people who play WOW, Rift, etc. Having sucked them in, then ArenaNet dumps them into a PVP game which many don't like and which, in the last analysis, is just a cheap way to provide content. The thing about GW 2 is that it is really a small game tricked out to look big.

This is exactly what I am talking about, this is an OPINION, and not fact. But I guess thats what keeps forums going huh?

I'm fighting an uphill battle, but because you don't enjoy the PVE portion of GW2 (5 man explore modes, theres tons of them) then yeah - its mostly a PvP game for you. There are people, alternatively, who do enjoy the grindy, DIFFERENT (not better or worse then WoW "raids") PVE aspect of this game. I am, unfortunately, not one of those people - and will probably continue with WoW raiding.

Also you can't say GW2 didn't revolutionize, or at least change the way that people view quests or leveling. I will refuse to ever play another game structured like WoW again after seeing how much more fun this way is.

And if you don't think that Gw2 revolutionized MMO's then neither did WoW, because it literally just repackaged EQ and FFXI's leveling gameplay in a more soloable, quest oriented manner to make it feel less grindy, which is exactly what GW2 did.

[SirRobin]

Well, replace PoI with Skill Point or Dynamic Event and it happens to me more often than not at the moment . Both are frequently bugged, and DEs last way too short of a time when the only method of travelling you have is walking.

I've been quite lucky with that so far. Except for that Ethereal Vanguard one in Ashland which always seems to bug or glitch out on me. However, the content is still actually there. It just may not be "working as intended." Or I may not have found the way to do it yet. Like the one with bandit hunting hounds. Went much smoother once I found the place those glitchy little puppies should be leading me too. Travel wise I do okay, especially when I'm doing an escort on the way.

Even WvW is getting more "user friendly" now that more enabling of upgrades like waypoints is going on.

[TheFeyLife]

I find it very refreshing.

[Flimsy]

Im getting a bit tired of it tbh (yes already) my character is fully exotic geared and im not the biggest fan of PvP so Im finding it hard to find the motivation to play at the moment. I really like the game and iv probably put 300 hours in so iv got my money's worth and with no monthly fee im just waiting to see where Anet take the game from here now.

Im starting to wonder if MoP will be worth it now to be honest, I have nothing against Guild Wars 2 and don't for one minute regret buying it but I can't see the long lasting playability in the game (from a pve prospective)

[flarecde]

I've been quite lucky with that so far. Except for that Ethereal Vanguard one in Ashland which always seems to bug or glitch out on me. However, the content is still actually there. It just may not be "working as intended." Or I may not have found the way to do it yet. Like the one with bandit hunting hounds. Went much smoother once I found the place those glitchy little puppies should be leading me too. Travel wise I do okay, especially when I'm doing an escort on the way.

Even WvW is getting more "user friendly" now that more enabling of upgrades like waypoints is going on.

I constantly run into broken DEs, particularly stuck escorts. It got far more prevalent in the later levels. Content that isn't working is basically content that doesn't exist in my book. If I can't do it, I can't appreciate a difference. No credit for effort in my class! Also as population drops with age and distribution, DEs have kinda died out, used to be I couldn't walk without spotting one, particularly in the low level areas. Now not so much, I have to switch zones to get enough experience on my alts to move forward.

Travel wise my main problem is Orr. I have to spend more money than I make doing events to move around, because otherwise I have to deal with a trail of zombies slowing me down only to arrive just after a huge zerg of bots and other semi-AFK people finish the event and tab out to do something else while waiting for it to respawn. More power to them, I guess, but not how I want to play the game.