Will Challenge Mode kneel to the Whiners?

[Dirgon]

More than likely they will go with the nerfs they already have stated would happen to Challenge Modes, and that is nerfing the amount of time allowed for each medal tier. That way we still have the leader boards to show who completed it fastest for ranking.

I'd think possibly this, but only if it ends up where a slim percentage of the population trying to do them winds up getting gold.

I don't know why people are afraid they'll nerf them. The amount of whining on the forums about it is ridiculous. They're designed specifically to be challenging content for those that want it. They're not required, they're not the only way someone who doesn't raid can get gear (like heroic 5 mans). LFR, nerfs to 10 man raiding, and nerfs to the difficulty of 5 man heroics are there to help the casual players get gear with PuGs. The fact that challenge modes aren't puggable via the dungeon finder alone speaks volumes.

[tseven]

No/yes. They will be beaten by anyone eventually.

[StaeleAilar]

According to what they have said they intend for them to be, they should never receive a nerf, maybe a tweak if when it goes live something is broken.

However i think that if they did cave and nerf them, they would see the not so vocal members who have sat by and watched them nerf everything to the ground speak out against it.
If they do end up nerfing it though, not sure if i'll stick around. It'd be just another thing they said then backflipped on. Like all of cataclysm.

[Mosotti]

I think they won't be. There will be tweaks however, and guess how they will be called by people?

The problem with the nerf is actually how hard they really are. I mean if after a period of time only a very small number of people actually get gold, is that difficulty ok, or it's too much? What would be acceptable in Blizzard's terms as "perfect hard" in terms of percent of people getting the gold on them. Should it be 0.5%, like the gladiator thing? Or 20%?

At the end of the day, I think that the most important thing is that the challenge modes exist, and it's a fine example of Blizzard implementing in game what people were actually doing when they were bored, but with no rewards.

[slime]

Nerfed within a month. But, no one notices - because they are too busy arguing about how easy MoP is because the top 3 guilds have downed all heroic content already.

[Jetstream]

Not bloody likely. As I recall, Challenge Modes only give you bragging rights and dohickeys, not upgrades.

Sure they give you Valor, but so do lots of things.

[Keristrasza]

Challenge modes themselves are a submission to all the people whining that they wanted harder heroics.

So... your move.

What I find amazing are the amount of people crying they want challenge, but when the Challenge modes were introduced people cried it didn't have good loot. To be quiet honest I think the Challenge modes should have 0 reward at all and be just that - The challenge and Leader boards. People want a challenge so bad they have to kick and scream like a child, they shouldn't be rewarded for doing what they "obviously" wanted. It would be like rewarding a spoiled child who stomped around in a store until they got the toy they wanted. -.o

[Vargas]

What I find amazing are the amount of people crying they want challenge, but when the Challenge modes were introduced people cried it didn't have good loot. To be quiet honest I think the Challenge modes should have 0 reward at all and be just that - The challenge and Leader boards. People want a challenge so bad they have to kick and scream like a child, they shouldn't be rewarded for doing what they "obviously" wanted. It would be like rewarding a spoiled child who stomped around in a store until they got the toy they wanted. -.o

Exactly.

They will never admit it, but it IS a "special snowflake" syndrome no matter how violently they argue that it is not. They want to be the ones with the cool looking gear, mounts and titles and if people don't suffer through the game as they do or spend as much time as they do on it they aren't fit for blues. For these people WoW is less of a game and more of a lifestyle choice in many ways.

What these people consistently fail to understand is that NOT EVERYONE SEES WOW THAT WAY, NOR SHOULD THEY BE FORCED TO KNEEL TO THESE BELIEFS. Hardcores want a challenge? Enter Challenge Mode. Oh, what's that? Only Xmog skins? So what, you wanted an area show us your moves and you got it. Showing that, yes in fact you are awesomesauce, IS the reward.

They need to quit worrying how other people enjoy the game and focus on themselves; they will be happier for it.

[Velshin]

All I see are whiners, people that make threads about whiners, are just whiners too... I find these kinds of threads as useless as those the OP is talking about too.

Just enjoy the game, do what you do and forget what everyone else is doing or the way they like to play. It really does free your mind when you aren't worrying about stuff that in the end doesn't really matter at all.

First of all I'm not whining I'm just stating my honest opinion about it. Second it's just a question to the mmo champion since I'm also curious about the answers, and I never said I'm not enjoying the game I'm still playing and enjoying every aspect of the game. Last if you think my thread is useless and don't want to add something useful please just don't bother to reply thanks.

[Zergal]

There's nothing to complain about, Bronze and Silver times are tuned for drooling idiots and give the rewards they usually care about. Gold is the only thing competitive players will care about and rewards nothing important, it would be like having casual pvpers complaining about Elite armors.

[Volitar]

My only problem with challenge modes is you compete against your server not actual times.

Players on servers like Illidan with very good times might still get fucked while people on lowpop/crappy servers will get gold with very mediocre time.

[Daetur]

My only problem with challenge modes is you compete against your server not actual times.

Players on servers like Illidan with very good times might still get fucked while people on lowpop/crappy servers will get gold with very mediocre time.

Gold/Silver/Bronze times will be set-in-stone thresholds. They will not change based on your server's performance-- only the leaderboard ranking will.

[Zergal]

My only problem with challenge modes is you compete against your server not actual times.

Players on servers like Illidan with very good times might still get fucked while people on lowpop/crappy servers will get gold with very mediocre time.

The times for medals is set, its the same everywhere. Competition only comes into play for the ladder boards.

[Volitar]

Oh well than I am a happy camper. Thanks for quick replies.

[SourceOfInfection]

It either will get nerfed so any retard can get the vanity gear or it will lose support from the devs because only a small % of the players will be using it.

[MoanaLisa]

Oh well than I am a happy camper. Thanks for quick replies.

From what they say, there will also be leader boards for regions as well as realms. So it's possible that a #1 group on a realm might or might not be Top 20 for the region.

[SilentStocket]

Exactly.

They will never admit it, but it IS a "special snowflake" syndrome no matter how violently they argue that it is not. They want to be the ones with the cool looking gear, mounts and titles and if people don't suffer through the game as they do or spend as much time as they do on it they aren't fit for blues. For these people WoW is less of a game and more of a lifestyle choice in many ways.

I have always thought this is the whole point of MMO's. Is there something wrong with wanting to "be better" than everyone else?

[Volta]

Challenge modes have one thing going for them, or rather, they don't have one thing going against them: they're not a step in gearing up.

Which means that if you can't finish challenge modes (Let alone get gold medal for it), you're not hindered in progressing in the PvE game, which is the biggest stated reason for going from 4.0/4.1 heroic difficulty to the HoT level.

If it wasn't for that tiny fact, I'd bet the Challenge modes would suffer the same fate as everything else - Blizzard succumbing to people who want the game adapted to them instead of adapting themselves to the game.

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What I find amazing are the amount of people crying they want challenge, but when the Challenge modes were introduced people cried it didn't have good loot. To be quiet honest I think the Challenge modes should have 0 reward at all and be just that - The challenge and Leader boards. People want a challenge so bad they have to kick and scream like a child, they shouldn't be rewarded for doing what they "obviously" wanted. It would be like rewarding a spoiled child who stomped around in a store until they got the toy they wanted. -.o

And could it possibly be that *gasp* you actually didn't understand why people want a challenge? Could you actually be wrong? Oh noes! You make an assumption and accept it as a fact, and then you're baffled that the *fix* according to your assumption didn't do anything. Those that cried for challenge didn't ask for a sprint-marathon across broken glass with no reward just for shits and giggles, they cried for challenge that mattered in their own character progression, not a past-time hobby where they can keep bashing their heads against a wall because ''somehow that's fun for those weirdos''.

[Lokann]

What I find amazing are the amount of people crying they want challenge, but when the Challenge modes were introduced people cried it didn't have good loot. To be quiet honest I think the Challenge modes should have 0 reward at all and be just that - The challenge and Leader boards. People want a challenge so bad they have to kick and scream like a child, they shouldn't be rewarded for doing what they "obviously" wanted. It would be like rewarding a spoiled child who stomped around in a store until they got the toy they wanted. -.o

It's like how people complain that you can skip raiding tiers completely nowadays and still gearup for the new one, and how their whole guild agrees with them and how Blizzard should make progression linear again...

Newsflash: you can still do that, and if so many people agree with you then why not... I dunno, CHALLENGE YOURSELVES by doing it?

But of course, many of the whiners will choose the easy way over what they would find the more fun way, simply because there see more shinies in the immediate future.

And could it possibly be that *gasp* you actually didn't understand why people want a challenge? Could you actually be wrong? Oh noes! You make an assumption and accept it as a fact, and then you're baffled that the *fix* according to your assumption didn't do anything. Those that cried for challenge didn't ask for a sprint-marathon across broken glass with no reward just for shits and giggles, they cried for challenge that mattered in their own character progression, not a past-time hobby where they can keep bashing their heads against a wall because ''somehow that's fun for those weirdos''.

Wait, wasn't like the point they tried to get across how they want more fun by doing challenging content?

Then again, I've noticed many people don't play this game for fun at all. See the problem?

[Volta]

Wait, wasn't like the point they tried to get across how they want more fun by doing challenging content?

That's precisely what I was pointing out - indeed, that was not the point of all those whines. People rely on their own assumptions far too much and then they are surprised how is it possible that ''they got what they wanted and they're still not happy??''. They didn't get what they wanted, plain and simple. It's easy to be surprised when not actually listening to others and not delving into the problem. But the denizens of the Intrawebs have hardly the time or the nerves to be bothered by the issues of other people.