1. #521
    Not too worried, its getting changed anyway and won't go live like this

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    i dont pvp so i dont care about the cyclone nerf, i am however verry annoyed by the new dispalcer beast.
    the prowl allowed me to use an extra Ravage after a boss did a knockback, fear or at the pull,
    but now ill never be able to use ravage anymore

    btw T15 looks bad
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    I'm more exited about the set bonuses :-)

    PvP nerfs sucked and i regret so much now that i didn't go boomkin in PvP lol.
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    Bump the range on cyclone to 40 yards and make only the instant version (not that there is one, but instant and cast should be different...) 30 sec cd and it could be reasonable (could even be a longer cd, as long as you're free to spam it with a cast time)
    Anyway, who cares about PvP, I'm sort of disappointed about the amount of bosses again (around 10 would be nice), at least they are in one instance this time. Now we gotta hope that we can shred and leap on all of them...

  5. #525
    Quote Originally Posted by Etapicx View Post
    I'm more exited about the set bonuses :-)
    What set bonuses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makaveli9090 View Post
    What set bonuses?
    Exactly, ofc i ment the new t15
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  7. #527
    That NV nerf offhand seems like it took the talent from semi-viable to a complete waste to me. Lining it up with TF, zerk, trinkets, and pots made for great burst even when using SoTF over inc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Etapicx View Post
    Exactly, ofc i ment the new t15
    I'm expecting something like a CD reduction on berserk, or something along those lines for a 4pc.
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  9. #529
    Quote Originally Posted by Drakkmur View Post
    Aggixx,

    I am guessing the change to NV going from a 3 min CD to 1.5 and reducing the damage buff from 20% to 10% is a nerf to that talent overall as we will only get 10% buff during berserk instead of 20%. Is that what you are seeing in Sims?
    Haven't tried it yet, but I don't exactly need to to know that that is the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by razorback07 View Post
    Not sure what you mean by "is that what you are seeing in Sims", it changes very little, apart from maybe lining it up with a rip/rake/TF every 1.5min. If you half the cooldown, and half it's effect, it doesn't make it a more viable talent, nothing really changed, instead of the damage coming every 3 mins, you get half the damage, every 1.5 mins. Maybe there it would be a slight nerf during berserk but if you care that much about DPS you probably shouldn't be using this talent anyway. It seems to me like a half ass attempt to stop people just macro'in it to berserk and forgetting about it.
    I'm sure it's a much bigger change than you would expect, damage during berserk is something like 30% higher than what it is outside of berserk (without NV) and that goes on for exactly half of the duration of NV, so if you're taking half of the NV damage buff and using it with the TF in between berserks then you're looking at probably something like a 7.5% nerf to the talent's overall effectiveness.

    And to imply that NV hasn't been optimal this whole time is very silly, there is a couple fights where it is a clear winner and plenty of others where it is plenty competitive with DoC.
    Last edited by aggixx; 2012-12-24 at 10:30 PM. Reason: Maths

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    Im not sure why people seem to ignore how the new NV would interact with Incarnation. Will only cover half of its duration, will only buff Ravage spam by 10% instead of 20%. I personally think its huge, other than Tsulong Im using NV+Inc on every fight (granted my progress isnt great). Will probably switch to SotF+HotW if everything else remains unchanged, unless we're gonna need any kind of burst on specific encounter. I wouldnt expect Treants to be viable for Feral (unless they would make them stack bleeds, but we all know thats not gonna happen).
    Last edited by greez; 2012-12-24 at 09:46 AM.

  11. #531
    The NV nerf is pretty big. It doesnt only nerf our burst, but also our execute rip in many cases.
    I personally love the T15 set. It actually looks good for once.
    I am very exited for displacer beast and treants as well. A fight were I could see myself using those would be elgon (If they balance treants right ofc). You have to switch targets too often to get max benefit from SotF, but you can always get the max benefit from trees. And a blink + sprint just seems amazing for a fight were charge does not work (elegon) or is plain suicide (energy pylons and p3 adds).

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    If i am not entitily wrong at this moment Treants spank Incarnation we have to wait and see how the gap changes now when Incarnation gets "semi" nerfed with the NV nerf aswell as Treants gets buffed and if i'm not misstaken with my theory SofT will get weaker by the progress of us gearing up but i cannot see FoN being beter then SofT in t15 at this moment.
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  13. #533
    Impossible to say without numbers. I doubt SotF scales any worse with gear than any of the other 2 options, but the whole thing simply depends on how much they buff FoN by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aggixx View Post
    Impossible to say without numbers. I doubt SotF scales any worse with gear than any of the other 2 options, but the whole thing simply depends on how much they buff FoN by.
    Don't know how it was before but now they are in tooltip 3504+10.7% AP scaling every 2 sec 15 sec x3 probably irrelevant if we don't got the current FoN numbers but i do believe if it isn't by a alot SofT is the way to go.
    The thing i ment with the level 60 talent was when we'r getting closer to a stage where energy is good i mean it might be my latency and all but with a few OoC procs i'm energy capped during berserk and it really feels awkward but as i said it might be my lag and latency i've ordered new parts (I thought i was a good kitty this year) and it might change we'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Etapicx View Post
    The thing i ment with the level 60 talent was when we'r getting closer to a stage where energy is good i mean it might be my latency and all but with a few OoC procs i'm energy capped during berserk and it really feels awkward but as i said it might be my lag and latency i've ordered new parts (I thought i was a good kitty this year) and it might change we'll see.
    Lined up perfectly, with TF and Berserk, with Time warp, i'm also capping during a burn phase, so I doubt its you. Although a new pc never hurt :P

    The main problem I see is if we drop SotF for something else, it makes DoC less efficient. I pool energy before using my 5CP finisher, to about 70, so when I do use it, I gain the 20 energy back due to it, which 99% of the time gets me back to 4 CPs with around 2 seconds left on PS. You take SotF away, it won't make it impossible to do every time, but you would need to pool quiet a bit more energy before using the finisher (90+ maybe?), that's almost a shred more every 2 finishers worth of energy. I guess it depends how better the stats scale in T15.
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    Weak Auras to help with Rotation
    Here i'm going to take a quick run down on some WeakAuras i use to enhance my preformance and help with the rotation. Pictures are hopefully coming up soon

    The addon can be downloaded here


    Raid CDs

    Basically indicating when Skull Banner/Heroism/Stormlash and your Potion is up
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    Ferociuse Bite

    This Aura will show an icon off Ferociuse Bite indicating it is time to use it. What's required for the Aura to pop up is, 5CPs Rip duratation more then 7 seconds (Taking by granted you have SofT) Savage Roar has 5 seconds or more.
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    Thrash

    This is the same deal as with FB it will Show Thrash icon when it is an appropriated time to use it.
    It will be two auras the first one requires, 5cp, energy above 85% and Thrash below 5 seconds.
    The other one requires, Thrash below 5 seconds, Clearcasting buff
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    Savage Roar

    This aura will pop up when SR is below 3 seconds or not up at all

    Code:
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    Healing Touch
    When you are at 4th Combo Points or 1,5sec left on PS or NS up
    Code:
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    For DoTs and such i use DroodFocus to track at this moment(I might say othervise somewhere else where i haven't changed) because the potetial DoT damage that i can't get working in WA.
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  17. #537
    Sorry ive been away for so long, took a break after killing sha hc (burned out!)

    Shame the nerf to NV is purely because of pvp, it worked so well with berserk.
    I quite like the look of t15, im really hoping ferals will get some love from this set bonus, we really lacked in t14. (i still dont even have mine :P)

    Cyclone nerf was needed tbh, ive not even done much pvp as feral this season but from what ive seen we are pretty op.

  18. #538
    Quote Originally Posted by Oak-qt View Post
    Cyclone nerf was needed tbh, ive not even done much pvp as feral this season but from what ive seen we are pretty op.
    Yeah ppl were yelling that ferals are the second most op class atm after warrs. I'd much much rather have the real problem nerfed :cyclone and burst (shame they didnt change incarnation in stead of NV) in stead of having them nerf......... bleeds

  19. #539
    it's fun how thing go back to normal,
    at the beginning of the extension, we were to the top(and not the best or completly cheat) with the wrath spamming, and it was fun to play, introduicing casting the cycle) then they nerf it. But hopefully, we can still have a long sustained damage cycle, and a burst cycle which pretty competitive. But come the 5.1, and we go down in the ranking of dps. And now, we still go down(the others go up) but and we loose again a way of dpsing, so no burst anymore, just an annoying complecated cycle, which can break very easily, thx blizzard. ( plz give the war tank another banner, he need more raid CD......)

    PS : I don't think about the crappy bonus set and the super useless symbiosis.

    One idea to make our classe, don't give a cooldown to heart of wild, anyway we are not better than the role we copy with it, so give us full time
    Last edited by nevakee716; 2013-01-03 at 12:05 PM.

  20. #540
    I want a change to HotW that makes it a passive effect that does something from those roles. There is a thread on this forum somewhere about it: Non restro = you gain 10% of the damage you take back as health over 15 seconds. (Max 15% of hp).
    Something like that I would love to see. Because as of now the only reason to take HotW is to do a strong tranq and the passive... I dont want the benefit of my last tier of talents to be a random agi increase.

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