1. #2561
    Quote Originally Posted by FeralSynapse View Post
    Normal AOC +Roro. You'd only really replace Aoc with Harm's.
    lfr RoR has shit uptime so it not worth,
    use both normal trinkets

  2. #2562
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomy View Post
    Is there a Weak Aura for Pred Swift to pop up TO hit My Healing Touch for DOC?
    I don't have a specific one to give you, but just make an aura to track Pred Swift buff on yourself. Then set the icon for it to be HT.
    A second aura to track DoC stacks is nice too.

    The one I personally use also tracks # of combo points and only pops if i have >=4.
    I actually have a second aura for if pred swift has less than 3 sec remaining that is a clone of the first without the CP restriction.
    Both of these along with a sound alert, so that I don't have to tunnel on that visual alert, is effective and efficient.

    All of these things are pretty simple in WA and required no special coding.
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  3. #2563
    This guide tells me to use shred, icy-veins guide tells me to use mangle. Huh?

  4. #2564
    Mangle has lower damage per energy, but higher combo point per energy which gives you more finishers. You generally want to use mangle. Exceptions are when you're running close to energy capping, like for example during Bloodlust/Heroism or Berserk.

  5. #2565
    Quote Originally Posted by Rioo View Post
    Mangle has lower damage per energy, but higher combo point per energy which gives you more finishers. You generally want to use mangle. Exceptions are when you're running close to energy capping, like for example during Bloodlust/Heroism or Berserk.
    Yup, this is exactly the icy-veins guide. Then this one here is outdated?

  6. #2566
    how much more DPS is DoC without Rune over the other 2 ?

  7. #2567
    Quote Originally Posted by Vilendor View Post
    Yup, this is exactly the icy-veins guide. Then this one here is outdated?
    In that case Icy-Veins is correct. I wouldn't trust anything in the OP's guide.

  8. #2568
    Really? Hmm.

    #3.8 Mangle

    Shred and Mangle has the same weapon scaling but Shred has 20% extra damage on bleeding targets. Mangle costs 35 energy whereas Shred costs 40 energy. If you use shred you benefit with 5% more damage per energy spend. If you use mangle you win with 12.5% more energy.
    Shred vs Mangle: Mangle dose win with a very small number, The benefit for using Mangle is that you'll build the combo points faster and the rotation will feel slightly (If any difference at all) smoother. Thought the rule will be...
    * If you have 70+ Enegry Shred
    *If you have OoC up and thrash is up Shred it(If you where to use mangle)
    *If you have berserk up use Shred

    Othervise i personally won't use shred. It is really really equal and we won't realy prove prefromance vise whice is best becuase it is the matter of so low numers changing from time to time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilendor View Post
    Yup, this is exactly the icy-veins guide. Then this one here is outdated?
    Quote Originally Posted by Rioo View Post
    In that case Icy-Veins is correct. I wouldn't trust anything in the OP's guide.
    The thing is; Yes somethings might be outdated but that would really just be the high end information to cut the highest percentile of our class. It would be good to read the whole thing before criticizing
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  10. #2570
    You said yourself that you haven't played for several months. Icy-Vein's guide is always kept up to date. It's nothing personal towards you, but if there's conflicting opinions from the two guides one should go for the one that's still being kept up to date.

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    Yeah that is true but in this case it wasn't a subject of a conflict it was a matter of ignorance.
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    Why?
    He will find an easy way to do it.


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    People doing below 200k dps? Ain't nobody got time for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by smartazjb0y View Post
    Why? Why should content be gated behind skill?
    14/14h and finally done

  13. #2573
    Quote Originally Posted by Redpanda View Post
    so i have this wa that has my bleeds and sr and its nice and neat. I can link it. Is it possible to add thrash to it?

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  15. #2575
    Quote Originally Posted by Etapicx View Post
    The thing is; Yes somethings might be outdated but that would really just be the high end information to cut the highest percentile of our class. It would be good to read the whole thing before criticizing
    Quote Originally Posted by Etapicx
    Combat actions

    Faerie Fire if not up on the target
    Keep Savage Roar up.
    Healing Touch if Predatory Swiftness is up and you have 4 combo points on your target
    Healing Touch if Predatory Swiftness is up and you have 1.5 seconds left on the buff
    Tiger's Fury only if energy is below 35 (So you won't energy cap)
    Sync Berserk right after Tiger's Fury (it's worth waiting for TF)
    Rip if it will be atleast 15% stronger (See bleed ratios)
    Ferocious Bite if target is below 25% and Rip is up and below 3-4 seconds, no matter how many CPs you have.
    Rake if it will be atleast 12% stronger (See bleed ratios)
    Thrash if Omen of Clarity is up and Thrash is down or below 3-4 seconds
    Virmen's Bite if DoC, TF and optimal agility procs are up. Target below 25% health and 5cps on the target followed by Rip.
    Rip if at 5 combo points.
    Shred to extend Rip if it's about to fade.
    Ferocious Bite if at 5 CPs and Rip has 8 seconds or more duration.
    Sync every other Rake with Tiger's Fury and preferably DoC.
    Shred if OoC is up.
    Thrash if Thrash(DoT) is down and 5CPs on your primary target.
    Shred to build combo points.
    The thing is, i was looking for the rotation and found this. Sorry for not reading every bit of your post, but i never imagined you would hide such information in the 8th point of the rotation guide. And i still can't understand your logic. You say "Mangle dose win with a very small number" and the main guide is still all about shred. But i gues im the retard for coming here and expecting the best rotation listed under the rotation guide.

  16. #2576
    Quote Originally Posted by Vilendor View Post
    But i gues im the retard for coming here and expecting the best rotation listed under the rotation guide.
    How long do you play feral? Because there are even more op rotations, used by top5 ferals.
    Repeating them is like piano.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilendor View Post
    The thing is, i was looking for the rotation and found this. Sorry for not reading every bit of your post, but i never imagined you would hide such information in the 8th point of the rotation guide. And i still can't understand your logic. You say "Mangle dose win with a very small number" and the main guide is still all about shred. But i gues im the retard for coming here and expecting the best rotation listed under the rotation guide.
    The change-log indicates that this guide has not been updated in 1 year. If you are truly seeking the most up-to-date information, the guide lists several other resources that will show more correct information.

  18. #2578
    Confusion on proper AoE strat on Feral

    On 1-3 targets, trash all, rake all and Rip highest hp?
    4-6, trash and swipe?
    7+ trash and swipe

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    dosent show thrash, or maybe i borked it?
    Chaos! Madness! Like a hug for your brain!¯\(°_o)/¯
    Quote Originally Posted by Alpheus View Post
    People doing below 200k dps? Ain't nobody got time for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by smartazjb0y View Post
    Why? Why should content be gated behind skill?
    14/14h and finally done

  20. #2580
    What are the two best trinkets for CM? Also do Sha-Touched weapons work with the 500 agi gem or no?

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