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    All these threads never end well ;(



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    All these threads never end well ;(



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    What are you talking about this thread is a thing of beauty.
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    A nice list of logical fallacies. In picture form!

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    This is so self serving.
    Wow what a terrific argument.

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    Wow what a terrific argument.
    It is. Maybe instead Europeans have seen the real horrors of fascism and government run amok so they don't lose their heads over things like universal health care.

    why I'm against womens vote - that I wont simply answer due to intolerence of views here.
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    Everyone is pro-US. They just don't know it yet.
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    A nice list of logical fallacies. In picture form!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gin View Post
    it is fascist and it is agreed by "lords" of the eu that are controlling us on every step
    Controlling on every step? Lords? I think you are listening to conspiracy theorists a bit too much.

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    why I'm against womens vote - that I wont simply answer due to intolerence of views here. lets stick to whole democracy vote is bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gin View Post
    why I'm against womens vote - that I wont simply answer due to intolerence of views here. lets stick to whole democracy vote is bad.
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    No no, please, go ahead by all means. You've already lost all credibility by any.... well, lets set the bar high... semi-sane person's reckoning, so you don't have anything to lose by disclosing your reasoning. I'm quite curious at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alakir the Windlord View Post
    Controlling on every step? Lords? I think you are listening to conspiracy theorists a bit too much.
    Have you ever heard Barroso or Martin Schulz talk? European federation and eradication of nation states are parts of their Europe superstate dreams.

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    Europeans? Why go so far? We have a conservative government in Canada that is more liberal than Barack Obamadeus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 55Egoist View Post
    Have you ever heard Barroso or Martin Schulz talk? European federation and eradication of nation states are parts of their Europe superstate dreams.
    And as has been demonstrated numerous times, the voting populations of the member states are not above from completely scuttling such dreams, for reasons that rational people can only despair at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 55Egoist View Post
    Have you ever heard Barroso or Martin Schulz talk? European federation and eradication of nation states are parts of their Europe superstate dreams.
    I have, but they never said that the member states should be forced to do it. No one is forcing countries to stay in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaylock View Post
    It seems there are very few conservative Europeans these days. Is it just super Liberal over there in Europe? Are there any conservative parties who use fiscal responsibility in their decision making? Most of the things I see from European news outlets in general is a bunch of Liberal propaganda to scare / guilt trip people into thinking socialism is the answer and the ethical way to live life.

    More and more government control, and less and less wise decision making, less freedoms for the people.

    I mean look what happened to Greece
    Maybe it is just super conservative in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gin View Post
    there is close to none liberal country in europe - I dont know if OP is from USA but if is answe is yes then, liberalism that originated in Europe is a something different than a form adopted in USA. theres also no conservatives in Europe per government

    Europe, mostly is a swamp of socialism and European Union is a fascism at its best

    everything started in XVIII century with masonic shattered faction of Great East of France that is responsible for Revolution and murder spree in France, then they realised idea of socialism in europe - whats the best way for that?

    they allowed women to vote, they started to systematicelly forcing democracy, the worst system ever, but the best for corruption and controlling masses by giving idea of self importance in country course ( whoever believe that he can say anything about in his country is simply delusional ).

    Socialism has a high tendency for beaurecracy so new working slots were created, women took em

    then they were forcing homosexual rights to simply divide society, same as they did with obligatory education system, you "create" human mentality in the first 5 years, so they made pre schools, early school, you dont decide what is your child learning, oh no, in fact parent is pushed away, it is country who controls your little drooling monsters

    and about homosexuals, because I dont want to be understood as "anti", homosexuals were in our societies for thousands of years, but in the last fifthy years it escalated to movement that in fact gains money from EU and private organisations. as far as I know theres no parade of men who can only make love with 3 women at the same time, theres no parade of men loving dildos in their anus and chain on nipples with attached freshly cut pork head. those "gay" parades are mostly sponsored by those who seek strife in society

    and thanks to that so called gender studies, sponsored of cours, shows that there is about 10-15% of homosexuals among us, where in fact there is 0.5-1.5 max

    it doesnt really matter who is who in your country, you simply dont have any control, how many properly intelligent people you can find in society -2-3% ? democracy is for those people, studies shows that 68% dont understand news in tv/papers.

    europeans are mostly socialists, cattle that want to be steered, eat that, fish that many fish, do that and that, if you are useless then we gonna give you money, after all we are in civilised world where jobless losers who dont want to wave a finger can live and be happy
    the fuck did i just read

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    Oh, I know how you feel entirely. I work in pharmacy.. and every once in a while I'll have someone come in, turn in their prescription, and then decide they can't afford it because their insurance company won't cover the medication, or even because the copay is too high on it. Its distressing when finances are an obstacle to health and well being.
    Hey Kas do you mind going into detail what healthcare is like in Russia? Most of my knowledge of Russian infrastructure is tainted by the leftovers of US Cold War conspiracies. >_>
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    People tend to surround themselves with like-minded people, Europeans included.

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    Both the left and right have been responsible about fiscal policy here, our right is not at all like american conservatives though.

    We got a budget surplus of around 0.1% of the GDP this year I think. The last two years have been worse then the years prior to that.

    Last year.
    Sweden’s national debt office (Riksgälden) stated on Tuesday that the country’s budget surplus from 2011 stood at 68 billion kronor ($9.85 billion).

    Sweden's central government debt meanwhile stood at 1,108 billion kronor at the end of 2011, which corresponds to 32 percent of the non-euro-member's gross domestic product (GDP), far below the 60-percent level allowed within the eurozone.
    This year
    Sweden's central government payments showed a surplus of SEK 11.1 billion in August, which was SEK 9.7 billion lower than the government estimate, figures from the National Debt Office showed Friday.
    The nerve is called the "nerve of awareness". You cant dissect it. Its a current that runs up the center of your spine. I dont know if any of you have sat down, crossed your legs, smoked DMT, and watch what happens... but what happens to me is this big thing goes RRRRRRRRRAAAAAWWW! up my spine and flashes in my brain... well apparently thats whats going to happen if I do this stuff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    And why exactly are you against women voting in politics?
    I usually dont put people on ignore but he is giving me a headache.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gin View Post
    of course, our children thanks to forced education and selective knowledge. we are milked, a common folk is simply getting addicted, hmm wrong word, umm lose his independence for the sake of EU. they are making totally absurd laws that can be explained throu taxaion and money process: just look at poor snails

    snail due european definition is a land fish, and many many more

    yes, lords, not literally, not all of them at least, but of course there are those quasi masons even in birthplace of true freemasonery. look at current president of France, "mason", previous "mason", previous "mason", it is widely know, bah its a public knowledge that during visit from Great East President of France adressed his masonic guests by telling them that it is their ministry, I dont exactly remember now this whole situation. But when you analyze whole history and influence of Grant Orient de France then you gonna see how many things are connected together and it is certainly not a coincidence. Great East is a quasi masonery that seeks political influence, it is opposite to ideals of freemasonery, same with allowing women to join ranks, they can be atheists, well in one word, Greast East is a socialist organisation. problem with society is that people gonna brand me as tinfoilhatter or other words, and I dont even imagine to change their opinions, but in this topic we speak about what we think about europeans and liberalism so I said what I thought.
    Seems like you are just angry because freemasons oppose monarchy. There is hardly any brainwashing in school towards being pro or anti EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talokami View Post
    Hey Kas do you mind going into detail what healthcare is like in Russia? Most of my knowledge of Russian infrastructure is tainted by the leftovers of US Cold War conspiracies. >_>
    Eh.. there are plenty of fine points of course... but in general it follows similar models to other European nations. One area of key difference is compensation; even heart surgeons have horrible wages compared to their American counterparts. The government will pay for them to do, lets say.. 5 surgeries in a given time period, and that's it. They work through the queue of people who need heart surgery, with the order changing in cases of severe need, but ultimately if its near the end of the month and all of the surgeons have done their quota, and you need surgery right now, you're out of luck. The primary compensation comes from individual payments directly to the surgeon/institute, which is considerably more profitable for the health care professional than the government subsidized care and is done outside of the waiting list. The only thing is, those prices are a bit high to compensate for the low government pay, so if you need surgery at a bad time or are far down on the list, and you don't have the finances, you're out of luck.

    But another thing to remember is that we have a massive amount of problems in a number of areas. For example, its hard to maintain a hospital in the middle of Siberia away from all civilization apart from a cluster of nearby towns at the same level of sterility and efficiency as one in the middle of Moscow. There are also higher health problems overall, alcoholism, depression, heart issues, chronic stress... a number of things that throw a lot of complications in. And there are a lot of things that are a blowback to Soviet times, of course. I could go on and on into a number of issues, from the mentality of professionals in patient treatment to the effects of low income to public image of the health care system, but ultimately it would be a massive discourse for me to write out in its entirety.
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    “…the whole trouble lies here. In words, words. Each one of us has within him a whole world of things, each man of us his own special world. And how can we ever come to an understanding if I put in the words I utter the sense and value of things as I see them; while you who listen to me must inevitably translate them according to the conception of things each one of you has within himself. We think we understand each other, but we never really do.”
    XKCD is always relevant. Always.

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    I usually dont put people on ignore but he is giving me a headache.
    Well there's different views and you should keep an open mind.
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