Shaman races?!?!

[godz]

Hello


So i was wondering.. why is it that blizzard makes Tauren able to be paladin and not humans able to be shamans.. its probably something about lore? (know zero lore about this) .. but you would think the Human race has tried every aspect of life.. its because it annoys me greatly that i can only choose Draenei or Dwarf and soon the pandaren as an ally shammy but i dont want to be a panda

Have you heard anything on this peticular subject guys? :P

[kel]

I think its unfair that i can choose to be a paladin on my blood elf and tauren but i cant on my orc, you would think the orc race has tried every aspect of life.

[Undefetter]

Paladin follow the Holy Light, as do Priests. Thats why you can't be Paladin or Priest Orcs. The Orc religion is the sword and the elements. They all worship Shaman as their 'priests'. Humans on the other hand worship the Holy Light, which is why they can be Paladins and Priests.

The reason Tauren can be Paladins is because they believe in the Earthmother and they think that what the nightelves call Elune is part of the Earthmother. Elune is the godess of the Holy Light that Priests pray to for their power. Because they believe that she is part of the Earthmother, there is a small sect of Tauren that worship her in particular (the Tauren call her Mu'Sha and believe she is the Left Eye of the Earthmother). This sect of Tauren are called the Sunstriders, and they are what you play when you are a Paladin Tauren.

For the sake of lore they are NOT Paladins. However, for the sake of game mechanics Blizzard couldn't exactly make an entire new class just for Tauren to follow the Holy Light as, so they gave them Paladin abilities. They are not actually Paladins though.

[Veyne]

To put it simply, Humans are too modern.

The Druid and the Shaman classes are both extremely in-tune with the spirits of nature, and even though all races that can be them have been around a lot longer that humans, humans are the only ones that have made great pushes into "modernizing" their societies. Humans rely on their Priests to be spiritual leaders, where as Druidic and Shamanistic races tend to value either of those as their spiritual leaders (Night Elves are a little interesting, they value both their Priests and Druids).

Dwarves can only be Shamans because the Wildhammer clan, a separate Dwarven Clan that has lived more natural lifestyles, as opposed to the Dark Iron and Ironforge Dwarves, which are more modern, like Humans), have become a prominent member of the Alliance's Dwarven clans again.

Draenei being Shaman still irks me a little bit, but I can live with it with the whole Broken devolution thing.

[godz]

They could just come up with some new human lore that explaines why they went shammy.. maybe some humans with a fetish for the elements ?

[Veyne]

For the sake of lore they are NOT Paladins. However, for the sake of game mechanics Blizzard couldn't exactly make an entire new class just for Tauren to follow the Holy Light as, so they gave them Paladin abilities. They are not actually Paladins though.

Though the words you used were confusing and a little off at times, this part is 100% accurate.

The same thing goes for any Undead healing priest as well. Lorewise, a VAST majority of undead healing priests are still shadow priests, but they heal their allies by creating voids in their souls that the Holy Light fills up.

Lorewise, Blood Elf Paladins also weren't Paladins.

If I had it my way, Paladins (Knights of the Silver Hand - Humans and Dwarves), Blood Knights and Sunwalkers would all have marked flavor differences between the two. For example, a Sunwalker heals with the sun instead of the Holy Light, so their casting animations could have more of an orange hue, and spell names and icons would reflect it, but they'd still function identically.

[zenga]

So i was wondering.. why is it that blizzard makes Tauren able to be paladin and not humans able to be shamans.. its probably something about lore? (know zero lore about this) .. but you would think the Human race has tried every aspect of life.. its because it annoys me greatly that i can only choose Draenei or Dwarf and soon the pandaren as an ally shammy but i dont want to be a panda

Have you heard anything on this peticular subject guys? :P

My guess is that the devs have at least a little bit of dignity left in order not to make human shamans. It's bad enough draenei shamans exist. Ideally the alliance would not be able to play shaman at all (and horde paladins), but if it has to be I can live with dwarf shamans. Werther you like it or not a substantial part of the playerbase has no/little love for the opposite faction. That has not much to do with objective facts, it's a total subjective thing.

Anyway george fisher can explain it way better than me.

[Drebbin]

They could just come up with some new human lore that explaines why they went shammy.. maybe some humans with a fetish for the elements ?

Yeah that's all it takes to be a shaman: A fetish for the elements.

Seriously though they just want players to have the option of playing several different races for every class. Many people were tired of being forced into playing a blood elf or a draenei to play a paladin or shaman respectively. The fact of the matter is they aren't going to make race class combos without at least some logical connection and they won't make it so every race gets every class, also since they added the class/race combos in cata I doubt they will do it again for a while if ever so just roll a dwarf shaman.

[Venziir]

Hello


So i was wondering.. why is it that blizzard makes Tauren able to be paladin and not humans able to be shamans.. its probably something about lore? (know zero lore about this) .. but you would think the Human race has tried every aspect of life.. its because it annoys me greatly that i can only choose Draenei or Dwarf and soon the pandaren as an ally shammy but i dont want to be a panda

Have you heard anything on this peticular subject guys? :P

Here's an idea... Look it up, learn a bit of lore and you'll see the answer for your self.

---------- Post added 2012-09-20 at 07:58 PM ----------

Though the words you used were confusing and a little off at times, this part is 100% accurate.

The same thing goes for any Undead healing priest as well. Lorewise, a VAST majority of undead healing priests are still shadow priests, but they heal their allies by creating voids in their souls that the Holy Light fills up.

Lorewise, Blood Elf Paladins also weren't Paladins.

If I had it my way, Paladins (Knights of the Silver Hand - Humans and Dwarves), Blood Knights and Sunwalkers would all have marked flavor differences between the two. For example, a Sunwalker heals with the sun instead of the Holy Light, so their casting animations could have more of an orange hue, and spell names and icons would reflect it, but they'd still function identically.

The Sunwalkers and Blood Knights still refer to the Light however, and the Sunwell is now a vast source of Holy Light-magic thanks to Velen. And the "void soul holy light" thing about undead priests is just wrong and odd - Forsaken Priests can and does use the Holy Light to heal them - it simply requires a lot of will power as it hurts and burns.

---------- Post added 2012-09-20 at 07:59 PM ----------

To put it simply, Humans are too modern.

The Druid and the Shaman classes are both extremely in-tune with the spirits of nature, and even though all races that can be them have been around a lot longer that humans, humans are the only ones that have made great pushes into "modernizing" their societies. Humans rely on their Priests to be spiritual leaders, where as Druidic and Shamanistic races tend to value either of those as their spiritual leaders (Night Elves are a little interesting, they value both their Priests and Druids).

Dwarves can only be Shamans because the Wildhammer clan, a separate Dwarven Clan that has lived more natural lifestyles, as opposed to the Dark Iron and Ironforge Dwarves, which are more modern, like Humans), have become a prominent member of the Alliance's Dwarven clans again.

Draenei being Shaman still irks me a little bit, but I can live with it with the whole Broken devolution thing.

It has nothing to do with being modern, heck goblins are about the most modern race in the game and they are shamans. It's all about culture, nothing more nothing less. Being a priest and talking about the Holy Light is about as savage and simple as a shaman talking to the elements.

[Tingey]

I believe that goblins are relatively new to shamanism and that they exploit and trap the elements for their own needs rather than worship and embrace them as the other shamanic races do. There are multiple examples of this in-game, the goblin shaman involved in deepholm (goldmine or something similar) for one.

[Grubjuice]

Human shamans exist in the game in Stranglethorn Vale, you just can't play them

just because a class/race combo is unavailable to players does not mean it could not exist in lore.

[godz]

Human shamans exist in the game in Stranglethorn Vale, you just can't play them

just because a class/race combo is unavailable to players does not mean it could not exist in lore.

oh really i didnt know that

---------- Post added 2012-09-22 at 10:06 PM ----------

Aah yeah.. some of Kurzen's men have human shamans